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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Badenoch to meet Robison over GRR

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ResisterRex · 18/12/2022 10:25

Here:

https://www.mailplus.co.uk/scottish-edition/news/244821/uk-plea-to-snp-to-halt-gender-law

"THE UK Equalities Minister will use a dramatic eleventh-hour intervention ahead of the Scottish parliament’s gender reform vote to implore the SNP to delay the changes.

Kemi Badenoch will meet Shona Robison, an ally of Nicola Sturgeon and the person steering the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill through parliament, tomorrow – only 24 hours before final talks on the divisive law begin.

It is understood Ms Badenoch will call on the Scottish Government to explain how it has reached the conclusion that allowing people to self-identify as a different gender is the right path for Scotland, its people and the rest of the UK.

A Government source said: ‘Kemi wants to understand what their evidence is. It’s an attempt to urge them to take heed of warnings about the Bill, to rethink age limits and ensure there has been enough safeguarding.’"

And there is this on the support the SNP needs:

"This newspaper is aware of Nationalist rebels – who earlier this month staged the biggest rebellion in 15 years of SNP rule over the plans – rallying the support of opposition MSPs to help them defeat their own government this week. In particular, they are targeting Scottish Labour members who they claim will be the ‘kingmakers’ in deciding whether or not the gender reform Bill goes through.
One SNP insider last night told The Mail on Sunday: ‘We need their [MSPs’] support.’

Another said: ‘Those who stood up against the reforms have had significant support internally, and there is a recognition that some of those who are standing up for women and girls are doing so at great personal cost.’
Although they declined to say if more Nationalist MSPs were set to rebel, one source said: ‘I suspect there will be some colleagues who are increasingly anxious about their position.’ "

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Janie143 · 19/12/2022 13:19

dropthevipers · 19/12/2022 12:14

Bit of a sidebar, but does anyone know if there are any checks on who can apply for a GRC, or can any passing perv or weirdo apply? (Heaven forfend)

Yes, anyone can apply. No checks required.

Ramblingnamechanger · 19/12/2022 16:50

Just read Kezias piece. So she is entirely happy about men changing with girls and women? Lesbian too apparently. What is in it for her?

TheBiologyStupid · 19/12/2022 16:59

Janie143 · 19/12/2022 13:19

Yes, anyone can apply. No checks required.

Yes, if I understand correctly, an amendment to the aptly named GRR(!) bill that sought to exclude sex offenders from obtaining a GRC was explicitly ruled out.

bellinisurge · 19/12/2022 17:08

The safeguard is to make it a criminal offence to lie when getting a GRC. 'Cos that always stops the bad guys, doesn't it?

Abccde · 19/12/2022 17:53

bellinisurge · 19/12/2022 17:08

The safeguard is to make it a criminal offence to lie when getting a GRC. 'Cos that always stops the bad guys, doesn't it?

Well yeah.
Criminal Record - check
Sex Offenders Register - check
Like wearing womans clothes - check

Apply for a GRC - clean slate. All you need to do is wear womans clothes - you don't even need to do it all the time or at all. Just say you are s women.

Get a job in schools, adult social care- anything you want.

You are trans - they will be climbing over themselves to hire you - virtue signalling and all that.

BelenaConhamHarter · 19/12/2022 18:26

I don't live in Scotland but family members do and they would be directly affected by this. Would it be appropriate to email their MP discussing my family specific concerns?

Rightsraptor · 19/12/2022 18:48

MPs will only deal with their own constituents, @BelenaConhamHarter and you need to put your address on the email/letter so they know you're one of 'theirs'. So your Scottish family would have to raise it themselves

Abccde · 19/12/2022 18:59

Rightsraptor · 19/12/2022 18:48

MPs will only deal with their own constituents, @BelenaConhamHarter and you need to put your address on the email/letter so they know you're one of 'theirs'. So your Scottish family would have to raise it themselves

What if you have Power of Attorney?

I won't right to my DMs Mp - but mainly as it would be a waste of time. I suspect she is probably the most far gone down the rabbit hole of all the MPs.

Signalbox · 19/12/2022 19:13

TheBiologyStupid · 19/12/2022 16:59

Yes, if I understand correctly, an amendment to the aptly named GRR(!) bill that sought to exclude sex offenders from obtaining a GRC was explicitly ruled out.

Wasn't there a second amendment that sought to prevent those who where awaiting trial for sexual offences to change their "gender" until after the trial was completed? Does anyone know what happened with that?

HopRockers · 19/12/2022 19:25

Transwoman are the predatory men - entering female facilities is a predatory act. Most will not progress to committing a crime which they can be charged for - doesn't mean their behaviour is not predatory though.
This is so well put.

I have replied again to the dismissive responses from my Labour & green (🤢) MSPs - the SNP-bots don't seem to bother replying anymore. I only get sensible replies from the Conservatives 🤷‍♀️

BelenaConhamHarter · 19/12/2022 19:33

Rightsraptor · 19/12/2022 18:48

MPs will only deal with their own constituents, @BelenaConhamHarter and you need to put your address on the email/letter so they know you're one of 'theirs'. So your Scottish family would have to raise it themselves

But this is my problem. One is elderly and the other has learning disabilities, we are not far from having power of attorney and also worryingly close to having to deal with all the fall out of this direct.

Justtoshare · 19/12/2022 20:34

Ramblingnamechanger · 19/12/2022 16:50

Just read Kezias piece. So she is entirely happy about men changing with girls and women? Lesbian too apparently. What is in it for her?

I vote Conservative now but to think when I was a Labour party member I once voted for Kezia to be Scottish Labour leader. I seem to recall that she then resigned when she became romantically involved with an SNP MSP.

NecessaryScene · 19/12/2022 20:45

The safeguard is to make it a criminal offence to lie when getting a GRC.

Um, what questions would be asked that anyone would need to - or even be able to - lie about? I thought the whole thing was that there wouldn't be any questions?

HopRockers · 19/12/2022 21:04

NecessaryScene · 19/12/2022 20:45

The safeguard is to make it a criminal offence to lie when getting a GRC.

Um, what questions would be asked that anyone would need to - or even be able to - lie about? I thought the whole thing was that there wouldn't be any questions?

Presumably lying about their thoughts? So they'll obviously use the ScotGov mind-readers!

ResisterRex · 19/12/2022 21:11

Or look into their souls

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TiddlesTheTiger · 19/12/2022 21:13

BelenaConhamHarter · 19/12/2022 19:33

But this is my problem. One is elderly and the other has learning disabilities, we are not far from having power of attorney and also worryingly close to having to deal with all the fall out of this direct.

I'd give it a go anyway, saying you are writing on their behalf and giving their names and contact info.
It's MSPs you need to write to, tho, as it's the Scottish Parliament.
You can find out who they are here www.theyworkforyou.com

HopRockers · 19/12/2022 21:14

ResisterRex · 19/12/2022 21:11

Or look into their souls

Yep!

I would put money on the only people who would be prosecuted are people doing it as protest to show up self ID. Not the flashers or rapists. 🤬

HopRockers · 19/12/2022 21:16

TiddlesTheTiger · 19/12/2022 21:13

I'd give it a go anyway, saying you are writing on their behalf and giving their names and contact info.
It's MSPs you need to write to, tho, as it's the Scottish Parliament.
You can find out who they are here www.theyworkforyou.com

Or use www.writetothem.com and it will send the emails for you too.

BlackForestCake · 19/12/2022 21:18

I seem to recall that she then resigned when she became romantically involved with an SNP MSP.

I haven't kept up with Kez's love life. My recollection is that she resigned when she led the party to under 14% in the opinion polls.

RhannionKPSS · 19/12/2022 21:19

ILoveJKR · 19/12/2022 10:51

Where can I find details of the rally?

1 pm - 2 pm Wednesday 21st at Scottish Parliament.

TiddlesTheTiger · 19/12/2022 21:23

Signalbox · 19/12/2022 19:13

Wasn't there a second amendment that sought to prevent those who where awaiting trial for sexual offences to change their "gender" until after the trial was completed? Does anyone know what happened with that?

It should be debated during stage 3, which happens on Tues and Wed.

If it passes, it still means that sex offenders can get a GRC - they just have to wait till after the trial, whether found guilty or not.

How can they seriously believe there's no impact on women, when they don't even want to prevent proven sex offenders from legally being 'women'?

Signalbox · 19/12/2022 21:54

TiddlesTheTiger · 19/12/2022 21:23

It should be debated during stage 3, which happens on Tues and Wed.

If it passes, it still means that sex offenders can get a GRC - they just have to wait till after the trial, whether found guilty or not.

How can they seriously believe there's no impact on women, when they don't even want to prevent proven sex offenders from legally being 'women'?

I guess if they make an exception for sex offenders that would show they don't truly believe in their own ideology. I suspect the amendment will fail. They are extremists.

HopRockers · 20/12/2022 00:04

Looks like they're pushing for all the amendments to fail...
mobile.twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1604961008086405146

ResisterRex · 20/12/2022 07:26

HopRockers · 20/12/2022 00:04

Looks like they're pushing for all the amendments to fail...
mobile.twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1604961008086405146

I saw the first tweet and couldn't figure out what it means.

At this stage I'd not be surprised to either see it pass, or for an act of god to somehow happen and stop proceedings.

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ResisterRex · 20/12/2022 08:46

Just seen:

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1605114539607052289?s=46&t=3cGPK4PwYx_nOfVZK2gCQw

"BREAKING NEWS
The EHRC has written to stakeholders of the Scottish GRR bill, including Fair Play For Women, questioning the advice given by the UN expert on Gender Identity Victor Madrigal-Borloz.

We are sharing a copy of that briefing on our website

fairplayforwomen.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/EHRC-Briefing-on-Gender-Recognition-Reform.pdf"

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