Labour's silencing of women

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thecritic.co.uk/the-labour-party-and-gender-critical-women/

So. Fucking. Depressing.

Unreal

Fuck off Labour.

I know someone who left back in 2018 because of all this. It's not new and it's not going away or getting better. The woman I knew who left, had concerns we have on this board, which were deemed unacceptable.

They were happy for her to set up and man stalls, hand out leaflets, do all the donkey work though...strangely, she wasn't quite so happy to be everyone's bag carrier while also being ignored and silenced, so she left.

Let us be in no doubt, this is a war on women like we have never seen. Logical and reasonable arguments, appeals to sanity are no good to us. We are being written out of existance, they will not stop. I'm terrified.

Labour had one job; to represent the working people of this country and they seem to be diverted by faux "progressive" causes at every turn. From being impressed by Stalin to PIE and now gender ideology. I'm left thinking they have half a dozen brain cells on a timeshare basis between the entire PLP.

What the fuck is wrong with them?

I'm gutted about this but I seriously cannot vote Labour as long as they do this kind of thing. Since the LibDems are even more batshit what do I do? Starmer needs to realise that he will never get into power unless he wins the support of decent, middle of the road voters, not the lunatic TRAs.

Nutty Labour Sex Fudge, anyone? Glass of port?

yes, fuck off labour, you’ll never have my vote while you fail women

I won’t be voting for them again unless they back track and apologise to women.

But if a political party can silence people over this, doesnt it indicate that they'll silence people over other things that don't fit the climate of the time. People on MN are focusing on this womens rights issue because the party's stance goes against what they think. But how many other things have people been silenced over that you have disagreed with and so were comfortable with that oppression?

Can you give us some examples of what you mean?
I think this issue with political parties is a war on women & safeguarding.

The reason that people on here are concerned, angry & disappointed about this is because 99% of Mumsnet are women.

This is discrimination.

Most of us here are mothers. Many of us have children. Things are bad, very bad for girls. They are dangerous.

There is another post where people are discussing that they may not encourage their female child to go to university because of how anti woman universities are.

Many of the people in power at all levels of society have a deep seated hatred of women. It's always been there but now it's positively encouraged and woman are being discriminated against up and down the country because of their SEX.

Another one here who won’t vote labour again until they publicly backtrack on this.

The scale of the bullying is frightening. I can't understand why the Labour Party would want to lose the goodwill of women who have given loyal service for 20 or more years. It's not as if there are people falling over themselves to go round knocking on doors or putting leaflets in envelopes or sit on boring council committees about street lighting.

I think there are lots of areas now where there is a tendency for governments to demonise and control people for holding the "wrong opinions". Gender just happens to be the most obvious and egregious examples of this currently. Some other examples might be in relation to race (specifically people who don't go along with CRT) or differences of opinion over how to deal with Covid lockdowns (how the Canadian truckers were dealt with for example). I guess it's harder to notice these things when they don't affect us personally or if we feel there is some merit to silencing people.

Yes, I agree. It's symptomatic of a really unhealthy culture. Another reason that it concerns me. 'Those who would have us believe absurdities'. We should all question our politicians & political ideas & narratives far more. I know I do, now.

This is one of the reasons I stopped voting Labour. The other reason being Labours love of identity politics which comes from the same stable.

I just can't take them seriously anymore, or the Lib Dems or the Greens.

Fortunately, they don't want 'my sort' voting for them so all's good 😁

This! Being politically homeless is SO frustrating.

And of course in Wales, where Labour has been in power for more than 20 years, the Labour government has adopted a policy of blithely ignoring all the women's groups, including Lesbian Labour and LWD, who are critical of its totally-trans-led policies. Women's groups such as Merched Cymru and Women's Rights Network Wales are promised meetings and then nothing happens: emails are ignored, appointments to meet are dodged. And because there's no accountability here in Wales there's nothing we can do about it.

@RhannionKPSS
Can you give us some examples of what you mean?
I think this issue with political parties is a war on women & safeguarding.

You're focusing on that because it affects you and your right to free speech. Other people don't really notice or care this is happening because they agree with the party to leadership. So if you asked them if women are being silenced, they'd say no.
My point is that if party members are being silenced over this, it's inevitable they've been silenced over other ideas. But it's become acceptable to do that by the main body of party members so that everyone agrees and is on message. In the past people like you (not saying you in particular) have let that happen because you happened to agree with the party message, or disagreed with the different opinion so were happy for people to be shut down. Now those very women find themselves on the wrong side of party opinion and are affronted by the silencing of opinion.
It's not a just Labour party issue, it's a reflection of what is happening in society as a whole. Let's not engage with people of differing opinions. That's uncomfortable. Let's just shut them down.

Sorry, perhaps the feminism board wasn't the right place for my post.

I hear this a lot "because they hate women." I know it happens - I've seen the bile on twitter - but I don't understand why. Every man who hates women has a mother, aunt, sister daughter or female friend. Why do they loathe us so much?

Yes everyone should also joint the Free Speech Union freespeechunion.org/
as well as supporting the legal cases to roll all this back. Failure to protect the right to free speech is at the heart of all this.
I was never told that 'free speech' has 'consequences' as today's teenagers seem to be. The whole point of it is that you can say what you think and your right to hold different opinions will be respected in a pluralistic society. Supporting free speech in a social media age is the only solution I can see.
Graham Linehan made a great speech recently which sums a lot of it up:
grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/my-speech-at-the-battle-of-ideas?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Are you saying that we, women, should NOT speak up about his because we may not have spoken up about something else?

Sorry, perhaps the feminism board wasn't the right place for my post.

Oh but it was. Many of us came to this board with sceptical views. And remained because when we stopped and thought about what was being discussed we had something of a lightbulb moment.

For example, you say we may only be noticing this because it coincides with something we are already aware of.

1. Maybe. Does that matter? If this is a political awakening for someone then that is for the good, surely?
2. It does sound as though you are saying that we, as women, should be more ware of anything that may not directly affect us, or we are being biased, unfair to someone, something.
3. Some of us are one issue feminists, political beings. That is not a fault,. It is a choice

Hang around and read amore, ask questions. Be prepared to be questioned, challenged on some of your opinions. Be prepared to have a rethink. That's why this space is considered to be so dangerous by some. Women discussing, debating, researching, being well informed and capable of critical thinking and deep debate.

I wouldn't say it is always fun (I am just back after a sabbatical from t he space) but it is always challenging and informative.

No it was the right place. I agree.

There are clear and obvious safeguarding and fairness issues and but my main objection to TWAW and gender ideology is because it is a manifestation if exactly that.

I'm not personally vulnerable. Mine is a moral objection. Not to gender non conformity or fetish but to authoritarian ideology.

In plain sight.

It is a feminist issue though. We are the vanguard.