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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Chimamanda Ngozie Adichie Reith Lectures R4 this morning

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JoyousAsOtters · 30/11/2022 09:42

Standing in my kitchen clapping and tears in my eyes listening to this. (Dogs very confused.)
Every single word is so considered, deliberate and illuminating. She is utterly devastating.

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nauticant · 30/11/2022 12:24

especially when said but by someone who had her assistant handle that side of things for her

Lottapianos · 30/11/2022 16:45

Listening to it now. Calling for 'moral courage' - spot on. The need to wean ourselves off 'the addiction to comfort'. She's a brilliant speaker

334bu · 30/11/2022 16:50

Well worth a lsten

ValancyRedfern · 30/11/2022 19:28

I'm only ten minutes in but already finding it wonderful. Can't wait to listen to the rest once children are in bed!

Quietlyhere · 30/11/2022 19:44

I've admired her writing for years.

I just listened on BBC sounds and enjoyed it. But I didn't hear any question or answer about trans or gender issues...did I somehow miss it? Or has a programme on free speech been censored?

JustSpeculation · 30/11/2022 20:41

Quietlyhere · 30/11/2022 19:44

I've admired her writing for years.

I just listened on BBC sounds and enjoyed it. But I didn't hear any question or answer about trans or gender issues...did I somehow miss it? Or has a programme on free speech been censored?

The question is about 53 minutes in.

Quietlyhere · 30/11/2022 21:15

Ah interesting, there must be different versions as I listened to this one via a World Service page which is only 50 minutes long www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct4l3j

I'll listen to the full version.

TinselAngel · 30/11/2022 21:15

I listened to this earlier. I think I'd like to be her when I grow up.

knittingaddict · 30/11/2022 21:20

I heard 10 minutes of this in the car and thought of this forum immediately. The bit I listened to was very impressive and thought provoking. I will catch up on the rest tomorrow.

Baaaaaa · 30/11/2022 22:01

Wow.

fabricstash · 30/11/2022 22:15

I loved it

JennyForeigner · 30/11/2022 22:26

Total goddess. I haven't heard it all yet but liked her answer to Miller. She has a remarkable ability not to be led down a path at anyone else's convenience but to step back and examine a question from all angles, like a rubix cube, and then go straight to an answer you know she will still be happy with in five years.

I wish I had a tenth of her brain.

2Rebecca · 30/11/2022 22:30

She was excellent. Harry Miller can be sensible but made himself sound like a dysfunctional troubleseeker with his question.

powershowerforanhour · 30/11/2022 22:34

Was he the the man that she advised "Life's too short, go and do something that you enjoy"? That was funny. I happened upon the start of the lecture by accident whilst channel hopping on the drive to a CPD event and it filled the journey beautifully. She's so eloquent and adept at handling questions.

Manderleyagain · 30/11/2022 22:41

Yes that was him powershower.

I did agree with her and admired how she wasn't brought down a particular like someone says above. But without the context of miller v humberside police etc he didn't manage to get his perspective across that well. It's about the police acting outside thd law to silence certain opinions but not others. Its a serious sitayion in any democracy. So the work he has done is more serious than he made it sound.

nauticant · 30/11/2022 22:43

NITA: Hey, my name is Nita and one question that you provoked at the beginning was around speaking the truth. But the truth as we know, is rather inconveniently subjective so when somebody believes in a truth that they genuinely believe is the truth and yet, that denies someone else’s truth, what do we do in that scenario? To take an example, in the UK at the moment, one view that is very much advocated by some very prolific writers and perhaps, some people in this very audience, is that trans people should not exist

Or the example that you brought, that women are inferior. When someone’s truth denies my truth and it does not only provoke discomfort or offend my feelings but rather, wants to erase my very existence, what do you think is the morally courageous thing, but also, compassionate thing to do?

[there was some partial answering of the question until ...]

CHIMAMANDA NGOZI ADICHIE: I did want to also comment about the language that you use where you say, do not want trans people to exist. It seems to me sometimes, and again, I think social media contributes to this, that we choose the most extreme and often, the most inaccurate understanding of people’s positions. So, for women, for example, who say that they want sports to remain sex-based rather than gender identity-based, people will say, “Oh, you want trans people to die.” No, they don’t. They have trans friends. They know trans people exist. They’re just saying, “This is the position we have.”

And so, the reason I say this is, I think it’s helpful for us not to do that sort of very extreme, often inaccurate representation of people’s opinions because if we do that, we’re never going to have any kind of understanding or agreement.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUSE)

Clymene · 30/11/2022 22:54

I turned it off because I was in and out and I want to luxuriate in it like good wine.

I can't wait

fabricstash · 30/11/2022 22:57

I thought it was great she returned to that statement as it was patently false. No one denies trans people exist

nauticant · 30/11/2022 23:03

The BBC very helpfully provided a transcript:

downloads.bbc.co.uk/radio4/reith2022/Reith_2022_Lecture1.pdf

JustSpeculation · 01/12/2022 08:17

nauticant · 30/11/2022 23:03

The BBC very helpfully provided a transcript:

downloads.bbc.co.uk/radio4/reith2022/Reith_2022_Lecture1.pdf

They seem to have edited out Kathlen Stock's question from that transcript - or my search doesn't work....

DameHelena · 01/12/2022 09:05

Looking forward to listening to this later, and thank you for the link, nettie434.

Am I misremembering or does just one person normally do all the Reith Lectures? The late lamented Hilary Mantel did a whole series (which were all brilliant).

WolverineBlueyy · 01/12/2022 09:28

Yes it's usually one person but this year they have four different speakers around the themes of FDR's Four Freedoms - speech, from want, worship and from fear.

Just listened to CNA this morning and she really gave me chills. Fantastic lecture.

DameHelena · 01/12/2022 09:48

WolverineBlueyy · 01/12/2022 09:28

Yes it's usually one person but this year they have four different speakers around the themes of FDR's Four Freedoms - speech, from want, worship and from fear.

Just listened to CNA this morning and she really gave me chills. Fantastic lecture.

Ah, I see. Interesting idea.

SallyLockheart · 01/12/2022 10:04

@JustSpeculation I listened on bbc sounds and didn’t think I heard a question from Kathleen Stock.

JoyousAsOtters · 01/12/2022 10:42

Here’s a link to the 1 hour 10 minute version on the programme website:

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001fmtz

some of the questions and answers are extended and there are a couple more speakers

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