Transwoman grooms 14 year old girl

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Excuse the DM link
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11482001/Transgender-paedophile-25-identified-woman-groom-14-year-old-girl-got-pregnant.html

Awful. Poor girl.

What I find interesting is the shift in reporting. The article consistently uses the name Orton rather than referring to him as “she”. In fact it quotes a source referring to Orton as “he”. And is also going to a male prison - good.

Whereas the UK's state funded broadcaster has this gem.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-63785679

I hope the girl is doing OK. There is no info anywhere about what happened to the pregnancy, it's only of interest because in today's world the courts would no doubt grant access to the father which doesn't bear thinking about.

I think the shift in reporting is about preventing "sexual predator" becoming synonymous with the sacred cast, not sure how else to word that without getting deleted. Safeguarding would work just as well but that's transphobic.

I don't understand how the sex offender can be found guilty of penetrative sex with a child aged 13-15, demonstrated to have groomed the child and for it not to be rape. It's not like the offender was 16. This was clearly and adult.

My thoughts with the girl. Appalling story.

'Orton refused to accept that there was any wrongdoing and [claimed] that they were in fact the victim,'

No shit.

Me neither. Wtf??

@aweegc I was thinking exactly the same 😠

I've just posted about this as well.

How was he not convicted of rape?

Why are we calling this biological and legal male a transwoman? He is a common male predator. Nothing trans about him in the slightest.

He was a transwoman at the time he groomed and abused this child.

His identity is relevant, because: 'David Orton befriended the young victim and her family and was trusted to be alone with her because of the 25-year-old's gender status.'

Sacred caste.

He wasn't. No GRC. A wig, make-up and dress do not a woman make.

A male in drag at most.

Used his male biology to impregnate an underage girl.

I refuse to call him a transwoman. He is a predator.

It's like calling child sexual abuse on video "child porn". Just no.

Yes, he used his special status to gain access so it’s pivotal to the story. Of course he’s also a predatory male, but where does one end and the other begin?

But surely then the headline should be "male posing as transwoman", rather than plain old transwoman?

Press code I think
www.ipso.co.uk/resources-and-guidance/transgender-guidance/

It's my view that no mand can ever be any kind of women, so the word "transwomen" is inaccurate and unnecessary. They are all men.

Nyan, is there a difference between transwomen and men posing as transformed? How can we tell which is which?

Stonewall includes good old fashioned cross-dressers in their definition of trans women.

How the fuck did he think he was the victim in this?

We can't. Which is the problem.

But when they use their male parts to commit VAWG then it's pretty clear cut, no? Especially when there is a lack of a GRC.

Still, trans identified male makes more sense.

I just can't get over the fact that some publications rather address him as a TW than do justice to the poor victim.

But that's ok. It never happens.

@NyanBinaryJohn

I don’t think they’ve got a choice due to the code I linked above. Maybe I’m wrong. But yes it’s ridiculous. I’ve seen some crazy reporting

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I'll be writing in to all three in way of support for the child who was raped as by not referring to the rapist correctly harms her further. How dare they do this.

I don't understand why media outlets don't all pushback on the IPSO guidelines. Is anyone working on this? It's been going on for years.

This is a much better report. Accurate and centres the victim and her family.

www.leics.police.uk/news/leicestershire/news/2022/november/prison-sentence-for-a-man-who-groomed-and-sexually-abused-a-teenage-girl/

When I read 'transwoman', I read 'male'. I guess it's similar to 'drag queen' as a word/phrase, in that I understand the meaning to be 'male'.

Some prefer 'trans identified male', yep. I don't think we're allowed to use the acronym on here, though.

The identity of the person involved is absolutely crucial, though, and I think here it is perhaps most clear when we use the word that trans activists use, too, because we are told repeatedly by people like Nicola Sturgeon/Shona Robison that "abusive men are the risk to women, not transwomen" and :

'“there is no evidence that predatory men have ever had to pretend to be anything else to carry out predatory behaviour".'

twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1500594329139748865?lang=en

This is a very clear - and upsetting - case that illustrates the issues with both of those positions.

There is no material difference between "genuine transwoman" and "man identifying as/disguised as transwoman". None. By their own definitions. They are what they say they are.

This rapist was a transwoman.

Yes, exactly, WomaninBoots.

Yes. Importantly, this article includes the judge's very powerful statement too. Which I think, should have be added to any report:

Judge Spencer described the defendant during his sentencing summary.
He said: “You are a self-pitying and self-obsessed individual who shows no detectable empathy and not a shred of remorse for your actions”.

“Those actions have destroyed a mother and daughter relationship at a time when they should have been close, caused devastation to the wider family and taken away the teenaged years of a child that can never be re-lived.”

That poor poor girl.

But if course it never happens. No transwoman would do this. Blah blah blah

Stop offering up our daughters to males so you can look good.

Wtf has to happen.

How on earth was this male not charged with rape. Please tell me its not because the UK definition has it listed as a male crime?

Or did the justice system just want to avoid giving us another rape as an example of why this ideology is so dangerous.

But this never happens
Presumably this predator used HER penis to abuse this child?