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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

School Curriculum - A personal win

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InterestingUsernameTBC · 25/11/2022 09:22

18 months ago I first asked for a copy of the resources my child's new secondary school would be using for teaching gender identity in PSHE. I asked one main question - What are you doing to protect the children in your care from becoming part of the growing numbers of detransitioners harmed by gender identity affirmation?

After numerous emails, a couple of phone calls and several in-person meetings I have now had confirmation of the new PSHE curriculum.

Resources are drawn heavily from Transgender Trend. It is made clear that not everyone believes in, or considers they have, a gender identity. Cis and queer will be taught as controversial terms which should not be applied to others. Gender will be taught as social and cultural expectations placed on individuals because of their sex. Gender identity will not be casually slipped into other subjects as impartiality on the subject will be impressed on all subject teachers.

And what I'm most pleased with - No child will be able to self-declare a trans identity. Any child questioning their 'gender' will be referred to safeguarding for appropriate clinical referrals to be made.

A big thank you to the posters on this board for providing information and links and giving me the confidence to challenge this and showing how important it is.

And a reminder that we can all make a difference by speaking out. I have been a lone voice on this matter with the school and it has taken ages but I have had a huge influence that will have impacted not just the 1500 pupils attending the school now but future intakes too, and all the staff who will now feel empowered to speak up, whether they are full-on gender critical or just a little concerned about things.

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VestofAbsurdity · 26/11/2022 13:21

KittenKong · 26/11/2022 12:02

I saw this threat on twitter. Much soiling of underwear.

What threat?

KittensNotMittens · 26/11/2022 13:22

Thread sorry - typing is dreadful. There wasn’t threats (more than the usual whinging)

TheseCowsAreSmall · 26/11/2022 13:26

GiveMyHeadPeaceffs · 25/11/2022 13:36

Brilliant, well done @InterestingUsernameTBC My fear is that Northern Ireland are years behind the rest of GB and this will be a battle for me in the future. Gives me hope.

Absolutely agree. I'm in awe and thankful to our sisters in the UK for stepping forward, laying the groundwork and developing resources for us to use when our time comes!

WindyHedges · 26/11/2022 13:29

Resources are drawn heavily from Transgender Trend. It is made clear that not everyone believes in, or considers they have, a gender identity. Cis and queer will be taught as controversial terms which should not be applied to others. Gender will be taught as social and cultural expectations placed on individuals because of their sex. Gender identity will not be casually slipped into other subjects as impartiality on the subject will be impressed on all subject teachers.

Oh this makes my 2nd waver Women's Libber heart happy! Particularly this: Gender will be taught as social and cultural expectations placed on individuals because of their sex.

All children, and particularly girls, need to know this.

Thank you for letting us know. It gives me a speck of hope.

DameMaud · 26/11/2022 16:34

KittensNotMittens · 26/11/2022 13:22

Thread sorry - typing is dreadful. There wasn’t threats (more than the usual whinging)

What thread @KittensNotMittens please? A thread about this specific MN thread?

KittensNotMittens · 26/11/2022 17:24

Yes there was a screenshot of the OP with much squeeking and wailing.

InterestingUsernameTBC · 26/11/2022 20:15

KittensNotMittens · 26/11/2022 17:24

Yes there was a screenshot of the OP with much squeeking and wailing.

Wow, my five minutes of fame?!

I guess I'm being portrayed as super transphobic. Well, I don't care. It has been such a relief to know that the messages my GNC child is getting from school will not be contradicting what I'm saying at home.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/11/2022 20:19

InterestingUsernameTBC - it's amazing how much vitriol responsible adults get when they insist on schools acting responsibly and in the interests of all children. It's a real worry how much attention is given to those pushing science / fact denying fantasies and regressive views that harm women and children.

ArabellaScott · 26/11/2022 20:39

Most of what comes out of Twitter can be safely ignored, thankfully.

WindyHedges · 26/11/2022 20:57

KittensNotMittens · 26/11/2022 17:24

Yes there was a screenshot of the OP with much squeeking and wailing.

How pathetic.

DameMaud · 26/11/2022 21:35

Was it IW by any chance ? Can you link Kittens?
(Can I get an autograph Interesting?)

KittensNotMittens · 26/11/2022 22:26

Sorry I can’t find it - it was a shot if the page - the Ann Coates bee/insect person. And by the sounds of it American Tweenies.

DameMaud · 26/11/2022 23:21

Ah ok. Cheers Kittens

Princessglittery · 27/11/2022 09:23

twitter.com/setoacnna/status/1596259452033896451?s=61&t=wcCpe9GPGPOhJeuS1bCDxA

@InterestingUsernameTBC I hope the link above is the link @KittensNotMittens was referring to.

KittensNotMittens · 27/11/2022 09:39

Bingo!

Cattenberg · 27/11/2022 09:43

I remember that this person used to scour Mumsnet for wrong-think and would often post snippets out of context, “responding” to them on her Twitter thread, but not on here, unsurprisingly.

I won’t be sad if Twitter implodes. It is a strange, unsavoury, cliquey place and I don’t think it increases the sum of human knowledge. He

Cattenberg · 27/11/2022 09:44

Not sure where the random “He” came from!

RaininginDarling · 27/11/2022 10:54

Well done, OP 👏

sashh · 27/11/2022 11:44

Well done.

NImumconfused · 27/11/2022 11:47

TheseCowsAreSmall · 26/11/2022 13:26

Absolutely agree. I'm in awe and thankful to our sisters in the UK for stepping forward, laying the groundwork and developing resources for us to use when our time comes!

I actually think this is one case in which NI being a bit behind the times will benefit us, in that our health services are not yet captured in the same way as the rest of the UK - we can still talk about women being at risk of cervical cancer etc.

Hopefully by the time things start to move in that direction there will be enough evidence of harms from other parts of the UK that it will act as a brake.

Schools I'm not so sure about, I think at my son's there have been a few trans kids and the school has gone along with it in terms of uniform and pronouns at least, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't with the knowledge and consent of the parents. I don't get the impression there are lots of them at this stage though, just the odd one or two.

pattihews · 27/11/2022 12:28

InterestingUsernameTBC · 25/11/2022 13:11

And I actually did talk about AGP. Education guidelines say school have to teach the facts about gender identity. I asked what were the facts and pointed out that one fact is that AGP is a motivation for some male transitioners. Cue furious scribbles from PSHE lead to Google later. Wonder how he found that....

This is really, really important. I brought this subject up in conversation with a local councillor who said no, I was mistaken, it was a well-known sexual fetish but nothing to do with gender ideology. I went back with a sheaf of print-outs including Stonewall's list including cross-dressers and talked him through it. I said that this was what the lesbian community was up against — not people with dysphoria, people with a fetish. He was stunned and then said 'So that's why women are complaining about men in changing rooms?' I hope he's going to be involved in stopping the mixed-sex loo trend we have locally.

This is the subject that makes scales fall from eyes and jaws drop. Too many people think it's just mixed-up children and people with dysphoria who fall under the transgender flag. When they know the truth they're shocked.

And congratulations on all you've done with your school. Amazing work. Thank you.

Redburnett · 27/11/2022 12:31

Congratulations on your persistence and success!

Princessglittery · 27/11/2022 13:29

pattihews · 27/11/2022 12:28

This is really, really important. I brought this subject up in conversation with a local councillor who said no, I was mistaken, it was a well-known sexual fetish but nothing to do with gender ideology. I went back with a sheaf of print-outs including Stonewall's list including cross-dressers and talked him through it. I said that this was what the lesbian community was up against — not people with dysphoria, people with a fetish. He was stunned and then said 'So that's why women are complaining about men in changing rooms?' I hope he's going to be involved in stopping the mixed-sex loo trend we have locally.

This is the subject that makes scales fall from eyes and jaws drop. Too many people think it's just mixed-up children and people with dysphoria who fall under the transgender flag. When they know the truth they're shocked.

And congratulations on all you've done with your school. Amazing work. Thank you.

Exactly, It’s the facts such as AGP and that you do not have to take cross sex hormones or have surgery to be trans etc. that make people stop and think.

StellaAndCrow · 27/11/2022 13:45

F'ing hell that Twitter thread! They're salivating over possible suicides.
"If things like this happen we have to closely watch and somehow invesigate every single death that occurs in those schools, especially suicides. Sadly it won't take long and I think it's getting to the stage that we are going lose some friends. They can never be forgotten."

And after spending so long telling children that they ought to feel suicidal, and that everyone incl JKR hates them.

ScrollingLeaves · 27/11/2022 13:55

And no controls against all the other children who feel suicidal for all sorts of other reasons.

They will cause contagious suicide.

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