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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC misgendering in article about "Staying warm: What does an unheated room do to your body?"

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howmanybicycles · 20/11/2022 16:09

The article says that the body works hard to keep the core at 37C and describes a number of ways our bodies do this. It's written from the perspective of a male bodied person Then it says that "this would happen even more quickly if I were a different gender".

But what is their evidence that if a person had the same body but a different gender identity, this would happen more quickly? Or that it would not happen quicker for me because despite having a female body, like most adult human females, I don't identify as a woman.

Should we be calling out the BBC on their inconsistent use of the term gender? Would that help them see the damage they do when they use it in ways which woman find offensive?

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NecessaryScene · 20/11/2022 16:12

Dunno, might be right - judging from the typical male identifying as a different gender, he'd wear clothes less suitable for low temperatures.

Problem possibly more pronounced than a sensibly-dressed female.

Alwayquestioning · 20/11/2022 16:15

'Like most adult, human females, I don't identify as a woman'. Is that true? Do most adult females identify as another gender????

Gummibär · 20/11/2022 16:16

He obviously means if he were a woman instead of a man Hmm

midgetastic · 20/11/2022 16:16

Alwayquestioning · 20/11/2022 16:15

'Like most adult, human females, I don't identify as a woman'. Is that true? Do most adult females identify as another gender????

I don't really identify with gender at all

Gummibär · 20/11/2022 16:17

It's written from the perspective of a male bodied person Then it says that "this would happen even more quickly if I were a different gender".

Because of the oestrogen in women's bodies, they feel the cold more.

howmanybicycles · 20/11/2022 16:17

NecessaryScene · 20/11/2022 16:12

Dunno, might be right - judging from the typical male identifying as a different gender, he'd wear clothes less suitable for low temperatures.

Problem possibly more pronounced than a sensibly-dressed female.

Clothing has nothing to do with gender. We are now told that any male, dressing in 'traditional' male clothing, even with a full on beard, can be a woman

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TheFarawayNearby · 20/11/2022 16:17

Does anyone have a link to the article?

howmanybicycles · 20/11/2022 16:18

Gummibär · 20/11/2022 16:16

He obviously means if he were a woman instead of a man Hmm

Well in old language obviously but the BBC use 'woman' to mean a person who identifies as a woman in other contexts - including a whole bunch of male bodied people.

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howmanybicycles · 20/11/2022 16:19

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63602501

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howmanybicycles · 20/11/2022 16:20

Alwayquestioning · 20/11/2022 16:15

'Like most adult, human females, I don't identify as a woman'. Is that true? Do most adult females identify as another gender????

Most people don't have a gender identity. They call themselves a man because that is what we used to call people with dicks, for example - this is not the same as identifying as a gender.

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Gummibär · 20/11/2022 16:20

like most adult human females, I don't identify as a woman

What? Most adult women don't identify as a woman?

tilder · 20/11/2022 16:20

I don't personally have a gender but this is why language is important.

If i am cold, it is because the ambient temperature is too low to be comfortable for my physiology, my clothing and my activity level.

To say 'gender' is relevant is inaccurate.

howmanybicycles · 20/11/2022 16:20

Gummibär · 20/11/2022 16:17

It's written from the perspective of a male bodied person Then it says that "this would happen even more quickly if I were a different gender".

Because of the oestrogen in women's bodies, they feel the cold more.

Transmen have oestrogen in their bodies and increasing numbers of TW don't.

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howmanybicycles · 20/11/2022 16:22

tilder · 20/11/2022 16:20

I don't personally have a gender but this is why language is important.

If i am cold, it is because the ambient temperature is too low to be comfortable for my physiology, my clothing and my activity level.

To say 'gender' is relevant is inaccurate.

Exactly. It's misgendering me to assume that because I have the same sort of physiology as you, I identify as a woman.

It was much simpler when we used gender as a polite term for sex but if BBC has decided not to do that in other context, it should be consistent.

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Gummibär · 20/11/2022 16:22

There may be exceptions, sure. But the article talks about the main differences between males and females.

TheMarzipanDildo · 20/11/2022 16:23

Gummibär · 20/11/2022 16:17

It's written from the perspective of a male bodied person Then it says that "this would happen even more quickly if I were a different gender".

Because of the oestrogen in women's bodies, they feel the cold more.

Yeah but he could be a male bodied person of a different gender…(supposedly)

They mean “of a different sex.”

MichaelFabricantWig · 20/11/2022 16:24

Alwayquestioning · 20/11/2022 16:15

'Like most adult, human females, I don't identify as a woman'. Is that true? Do most adult females identify as another gender????

I don’t identify as anything. I know I am an adult human female though hence I know I am a woman.

tilder · 20/11/2022 16:25
  • caveat. Unless they are suggesting a female would wear clothing less appropriate for the temperature than a male. Or be less physically active. Am sure they don't mean to make such a sexist assumption.

I wasn't aware women were susceptible differently to cold than men. Am assuming it's the average body fat thing.

howmanybicycles · 20/11/2022 16:25

Gummibär · 20/11/2022 16:22

There may be exceptions, sure. But the article talks about the main differences between males and females.

Right. So why use the term gender when that's not what they meant?

This sort of sloppiness is used as part of the body of evidence which TW use to say that they are magically more like me than my OH is.

If we misgender a TW who has used their penis to rape a woman when we call them 'he' then BBC misgenders me when it assumes that my oestrogen filled female body must mean I identify as a woman.

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howmanybicycles · 20/11/2022 16:26

MichaelFabricantWig · 20/11/2022 16:24

I don’t identify as anything. I know I am an adult human female though hence I know I am a woman.

So you are choosing to challenge the notion that woman means something other than adult human female - and good on you. BBC needs to take a coherent stance on this though and stop using the terms in inconsistent ways.

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crosstalk · 20/11/2022 16:27

Can you link? Does it allow comments.

ArabellaScott · 20/11/2022 16:27

It's written from the perspective of a male bodied person Then it says that "this would happen even more quickly if I were a different gender"

Yeah, gender has absolutely nothing to do with fat distribution or biology, as we all know.

The writer having a different inner sense of his own alignment with stereotypes would have no effect at all on his body temperature.

OptimusPrime31 · 20/11/2022 16:27

I thought it was an interesting article. It never occured to me that the cold could cause strokes etc. They were just trying to point out that women and men react differently to the cold

midgetastic · 20/11/2022 16:27

Identify with women

Feel some connection or bond? Feel part of a group

Vs

Being a women

I don't have to have any commonality with other women beyond the physical bits to be a woman but there is no connection to women in general beyond that

Another way to describe this would be asking yourself "what beyond biology makes me different from men in general "

And if the answer is - not a lot - I have capabilities and likes that are independent of sex - well then do you really have a gender ?

howmanybicycles · 20/11/2022 16:29

OptimusPrime31 · 20/11/2022 16:27

I thought it was an interesting article. It never occured to me that the cold could cause strokes etc. They were just trying to point out that women and men react differently to the cold

No. Males and females do. There is nothing about aligning yourself with outmoded stereotypes which affects how you react to the cold.

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