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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ms Rachel Meade V Westminster CC & Social Work England Employment Tribunal Hearing

426 replies

ickky · 20/11/2022 13:52

The hearing starts on 1st December 10am at London Central.

If you want to observe please send your email request to

[email protected]

The email header should read

PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST Case NO: 2200179/2022 Date 01/12/2022 London Central Ms R Meade - Westminster CC & Social Work England

I just asked for the link and pin and I also included my name & address, but I'm not sure if that is necessary.

I believe as ever that veg still needs sowing.

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nothingcomestonothing · 11/07/2023 17:22

So just to be clear, SWEs position is that you cannot say something, if a trans person might not like it. Even if it's true. Even if it's WORIADS. If a trans person might not like it (not even a trans person doesn't like it, just might not), a SW can't say it.

Seems legit Hmm

dimorphism · 11/07/2023 17:26

It's really worrying from a safeguarding point of view. No-one should be above suspicion - how many scandals do we need before this basic point is accepted by institutions especially those charged with protecting vulnerable children? Paedophiles will get jobs as priests, school caretakers, pretend to be policemen, pretend to be trans (if they're exempt from scrutiny) - do anything to gain access to and the trust of children and their parents.

Also, there will be many children and women that social workers deal with for whom biological reality has a pretty negative impact on their lives. If the very people supposed to be helping them instead deny this fact and pretend they can identify out of their sex and gaslight them by denying the reality of their lives, that's being complicit in abuse.

AssumingDirectControl · 11/07/2023 17:32

Paedophiles will get jobs as priests, school caretakers, pretend to be policemen, pretend to be trans (if they're exempt from scrutiny) - do anything to gain access to and the trust of children and their parents.

And ALL social workers should know this. They (we - I am one) should also know the difference between identifying a risk and tarring everyone with the same brush.

princessleah1 · 11/07/2023 17:33

Whoever the person was today they had no understanding of social work. No wonder SWE is such a shit show.

dimorphism · 11/07/2023 17:35

So in the case of Amy/Andrew Miller, who has pled guilty to 4 charges including sexual assault of an 11 year old girl. Is his victim allowed to call him a man, even if it offends him given he's 'transitioning'? How are children, like this 11 year old, supposed to report abuse if the social workers will brand her 'transphobic' or the social worker (such as RM) trying to safeguard her is branded 'transphobic' for describing the reality of this transwoman's sex?

https://news.stv.tv/east-central/andrew-miller-man-abducted-and-sexually-assaulted-missing-girl-while-dressed-as-woman-in-the-scottish-borders

It's terrifying. That the whole world apparently now revolves around the perceptions of a tiny minority of the population and safeguarding kids doesn't matter.

These social workers interviewed in this hearing should hang their heads in shame for what they did to RM. If social workers cannot act with integrity the people who rely on their help are stuffed.

Zebracat · 11/07/2023 17:40

Absolutely, no one should be above suspicion. It’s dangerous.

IcakethereforeIam · 11/07/2023 17:41

Hats off to TT. To be able to transcribe that incoherence coherently.

BreadInCaptivity · 11/07/2023 17:47

dimorphism · 11/07/2023 17:35

So in the case of Amy/Andrew Miller, who has pled guilty to 4 charges including sexual assault of an 11 year old girl. Is his victim allowed to call him a man, even if it offends him given he's 'transitioning'? How are children, like this 11 year old, supposed to report abuse if the social workers will brand her 'transphobic' or the social worker (such as RM) trying to safeguard her is branded 'transphobic' for describing the reality of this transwoman's sex?

https://news.stv.tv/east-central/andrew-miller-man-abducted-and-sexually-assaulted-missing-girl-while-dressed-as-woman-in-the-scottish-borders

It's terrifying. That the whole world apparently now revolves around the perceptions of a tiny minority of the population and safeguarding kids doesn't matter.

These social workers interviewed in this hearing should hang their heads in shame for what they did to RM. If social workers cannot act with integrity the people who rely on their help are stuffed.

These social workers interviewed in this hearing should hang their heads in shame for what they did to RM. If social workers cannot act with integrity the people who rely on their help are stuffed.

A lot of the people being interviewed are not SW's.

They work for SWE but are not registered SW's. Many seem to have procedural/administrative role's pertinent to FTP investigations.

HellonHeels · 11/07/2023 17:52

SWE appears to be a total shitshow at this point.

Can someone please remind me, did they try to settle this already? I've lost track.

BreadInCaptivity · 11/07/2023 18:01

HellonHeels · 11/07/2023 17:52

SWE appears to be a total shitshow at this point.

Can someone please remind me, did they try to settle this already? I've lost track.

www.mysocialworknews.com/article/social-work-england-concludes-no-impairment-of-social-worker-accused-of-discriminatory-views

HellonHeels · 11/07/2023 18:48

Thank you @BreadInCaptivity Nice "friend" RM had.

What a long, long time to have this hanging over her 😱

dimorphism · 11/07/2023 21:45

It's awful how women are harmed twice; once by the attempt to destroy their livelihoods and lives because they believe in scientific reality and that sex sometimes matters and second when they seek legal remedy and it takes a million years (or feels like) to actually get to court. It's all so bloody abusive and seemingly designed to really destroy the lives of normal people who don't have millions down their sofa.

The punishment is very much in the process and I will be forever grateful for these brave women like RM (and Maya, Allison, Denise), modern day suffragettes, who have put up with so much to try and protect our sex-based rights.

Imnotavetbut · 11/07/2023 21:50

I've just caught up. It's utterly terrifying. Social work is reliant on critical thinking and nuance, SWE seems devoid of both. In essence, SWs are being gagged and my concern is about how this then relates to practice. SWs have to think the unthinkable and test the potential impact of this. If they're unable to even explore the potential safeguarding impact of the gender woo, on the basis that this exploration might cause offence, then safeguarding stops being safeguarding.

I don't know how we've ended up with so many professional adults who cannot understand that talking about men exploiting loopholes is not saying that all trans people are rapists/abusers. It happens time and time again. I do think that we have uncovered the best way for an SW to protect themselves from SWE though: claim they're trans, it's a sure fire way to become Teflon.

AssumingDirectControl · 11/07/2023 23:21

The people running SWE seem to have no understanding of social work, no critical thinking skills and no ability to reflect. Which should be astoundingly worrying for a social work regulator.

it is all very defensive, very box ticky and procedural.

which, to be honest, has always been my experience of most (not all) people in social work who make it to senior management level.

BreadInCaptivity · 12/07/2023 00:04

Imnotavetbut · 11/07/2023 21:50

I've just caught up. It's utterly terrifying. Social work is reliant on critical thinking and nuance, SWE seems devoid of both. In essence, SWs are being gagged and my concern is about how this then relates to practice. SWs have to think the unthinkable and test the potential impact of this. If they're unable to even explore the potential safeguarding impact of the gender woo, on the basis that this exploration might cause offence, then safeguarding stops being safeguarding.

I don't know how we've ended up with so many professional adults who cannot understand that talking about men exploiting loopholes is not saying that all trans people are rapists/abusers. It happens time and time again. I do think that we have uncovered the best way for an SW to protect themselves from SWE though: claim they're trans, it's a sure fire way to become Teflon.

I agree.

I was shocked to read that she only had 40 contacts on her private FB group yet her "friend" spent 2 years (I recall from the transcripts - happy to be corrected) screenshooting nearly 70 "transgressions" - whilst simultaneously posting on their SM content that SWE had to admit today was not "good".

This wasn't whistleblowing imho.

It was a deliberate and prolonged campaign to end the career of a person they didn't agree with.

Is that in line with SW professional conduct?

Do we think that person will be sanctioned if it is not?

SWE should not have the power to create sacred castes.

TheBiologyStupid · 12/07/2023 00:45

Berry Rose really seemed to struggle under cross-examination. IADNAL, but I felt that today went well for Rachel.

TheBiologyStupid · 12/07/2023 00:52

BreadInCaptivity · 11/07/2023 16:30

NC: Reformulation was to bypass Forstater, no?
BR: That's not my understanding
NC: Made it possible to avoid Forstater now, and 1.2 operates via offending others
BR: Not my inderstanding
NC: Is clear that AW SM also fails this new test?
BR: I agree it's not good

This is very interesting.

Essentially the allegation is that rather than dropping the case post Maya, SWE sought to re-frame the allegations against RM, without consideration of the fact the complainant could be held in violation of the same standards.

This is potentially why AW was not called to give evidence.

Also pleased to see a P asking why the doc was titled misconduct due to transphobia. Rather leading isn't it....

Absolutely - that document title stood out to me, too. Hopefully this afternoon's session will win RM her case. Berry Rose was really floundering and not a convincing witness.

TheBiologyStupid · 12/07/2023 01:01

These social workers interviewed in this hearing should hang their heads in shame for what they did to RM. If social workers cannot act with integrity the people who rely on their help are stuffed.

Absolutely, dimorphism.

BreadInCaptivity · 12/07/2023 02:44

TheBiologyStupid · 12/07/2023 01:01

These social workers interviewed in this hearing should hang their heads in shame for what they did to RM. If social workers cannot act with integrity the people who rely on their help are stuffed.

Absolutely, dimorphism.

Again, to be clear.

The witnesses from SWE are not necessarily registered SW's.

People working for a regulatory body do not have to have qualified in that field.

If you read the transcripts the SWE witnesses perform administrative/regulatory positions as opposed to statutory SW roles.

I can't see from the information that any of the SWE witnesses are registered SW's.

AssumingDirectControl · 12/07/2023 06:24

BreadInCaptivity · 12/07/2023 02:44

Again, to be clear.

The witnesses from SWE are not necessarily registered SW's.

People working for a regulatory body do not have to have qualified in that field.

If you read the transcripts the SWE witnesses perform administrative/regulatory positions as opposed to statutory SW roles.

I can't see from the information that any of the SWE witnesses are registered SW's.

That’s true, but what this process surely shows is how inefficient it is to attempt to regulate a profession you don’t actually understand.

Catabogus · 12/07/2023 11:52

Am I understanding this correctly that not only Rachel Meade was suspended, but also her line manager Donna B at Westminster City Council, for not escalating the case? And possibly 2 others??

princessleah1 · 12/07/2023 11:59

Omg there were other people disciplined for this in the same office because they didn't raise it as an issue. Nasty.

ickky · 12/07/2023 12:03

Yes I think so, I would love to be able to read the bundle to see the order of events.

As I understand it, it seems her 2nd line manager was suspended for not immediately escalating the complaint about Rachael.

Also looks like the Dep Head of WCC (Bernie Flaherty Deputy Chief Executive WCC) has withheld evidence of the extent of their involvement.

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princessleah1 · 12/07/2023 12:08

Yes, seema quite a few items missing from the reading list. Complacent incompetence I think rather than conspiracy.

Boiledbeetle · 12/07/2023 12:09

I'm late reading the tt tweets and have just got to the other suspensions! Bloody hell! What a shit show!

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