"Children in Need are currently funding 37 projects to the value of over £2.6 million specifically focused on young people affected by issues of sexual identity and gender identity."

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www.bbcchildreninneed.co.uk/changing-lives/stories/supporting-lgbtq-young-people-aross-the-uk/
Just posting a reminder of the causes CIN promote...

I can't remember the last time I wore anything other than jeans/t-shirt/hoody/Converse etc, and no one stares at me.

*Naunet · Today 08:15

Alexandernevermind · Today 07:26

Posts like this make me terrified for my teen dd. She hasn't settled on a sexuality yet (she says) and wears very gender neutral clothes. She already gets stared at by typical presenting women and girls in public toilets and ladies changing rooms. Luckily kids her are are much more accepting than adult women, but attitudes are still isolating and cause her massive mental health issues.

Literally no woman of any age, gives a shit how she dresses. Absolutely ridiculous to suggest younger people are more accepting when they’re trying to trans anyone who doesn’t conform to stereotypes.*

To suggest my dd is ridiculous for her lived experiences is offensive. This isn't about trying to trans, its trying to get the world to be a bit kinder to girls who don't want to look girlie. Probably because of unwanted attention from adult men following puberty. And yes, it is adult women (and teenage boys) who are usually the problem.

I don't really care where the money goes, as long as it's to people who need it. But I genuinely don't understand where it goes. From as young as I can remember I've watched it on tv with my parents and they would raise millions each year, 20/30/40 million pounds. And the next year they would show the awful poverty some children are living in and even as a child I would think where did all that money go?

I know money doesn't go very far these days but the UK has raised 1.5 BILLION for children in need since 1980. Although I would have expected it to be even more. Of course things need to be paid out of that for wages I expect and to cover costs of fundraising etc but as a nation we give a lot to charities (I think?) and things seem worse than ever 😔

The issue with Mermaids is that they've presented themselves as the authority on trans children and 'advised' hundreds of organisations on the topic.

Yet the second they're questioned in court about their policies or faced with difficult questions on the Cass report, suddenly they're keen to tell us they have no medical expertise in the issue.

Alarm bells. Ringing. Everywhere.

That’s what I would of thought. Most oldies, like myself, are wearing jeans and jumpers and many have short hair. Unless the teenager has extremely masculine features, everyone will know she’s a girl.

I want all children supported. I’m concerned that if it is through the gender identity presentation that any underlying issues aren’t resolved or supported and it is just seen as an identity issue. I also think the state needs to support children’s mental health more.

You should be terrified. Any of these ghouls get their hands on her and she will be on a medical pathway before you can say Annie Lennox had short hair tho.

And you don't 'settle on a sexuality'. It's not a lifestyle choice.

Teens have negative ideas about their bodies that can have severe mh impacts on them.

Years ago it was rife because of super models and girls in particular wanting to look like them.

Inagine for a moment we told all these teens, girls and boys, yea you can look like them and transform yourself to have their bodies. The eating disorder you have already established needs to be stepped up. Here you go have some coke/heroin to help you along. (Not all supermodels we’re doing this but a lot where)

There would be bloody uproar and right fully so.

The idea that can you change your sex is much worse and far more damaging to those young people who should be able to explore themselves without put into a labeled box. The court cases have started and will only get worse once these victims realise how badly fucked yo their bodies have become from taking medication and elective surgery.

Charities like CIN shouldn’t be supporting those without medical expertise when it comes to health. If they want to support mh then yes please and this should be for all young people regardless of the sexuality.

Tagging skirt wearing as a reason to be transgender is insulting to kilt wearing Scottish people for example. And are we now going to put David Beckham and other male celebs into a labels box because they wore a skirt and a bit of nail polish back in the day?

I'm not sure your hyperbole will be very helpful to your daughter. She honestly has nothing to read from other women. I was undecided about my sexuality and wore men's suits and had a crew cut throughout my late teens and 20s. Literally never had any issues.

Also not sure of the relevance of your daughter's choice of clothing to this thread?

It includes gendered intelligence, so it's a no from me

Pushing harmful sex stereotypes and ushering children into lifelong permanent castration rather than supporting them through difficult times is nothing short of torture.to be trying to get poor families to fund this is a disgrace

Good, they need support.

It was only 10 or so years that we saw breast binding in some cultures as a barbaric custom.

2022 here we are doing this along with other barbaric cultural customs.

Because females wear pretty dresses, blouses, skirts, heels, those crappy ballerina type shoes, make up, wear nail varnish, have hair a certain length etc

Where as males wear trousers/jeans,, shirts, short hair, maybe shave facial hair, trainers and much sturdier practical shoes.

Silly didn’t you know this is how males and females are identified by what they wear? Oh and a feeling.

As a 40 something who wears gender neutral clothes and has short hair, I have been called 'Sir' in shops many times, and also been challenged in public toilets many times: 'Excuse me, this is the ladies' and so on. To which my reply is 'Yeah, I know'.

I've had people walk in, see me washing my hands, and then walk back to check the sign on the door to make sure they're in the right place. Been directed to the queue for the mens loos before now as well.

As much as we say no one gives a monkeys what we wear, there are some that do, and some that seem to be upset that people don't always dress in a feminine way (whatever that means) or make it obvious that they're female.
I don't think I have particularly masculine features, but evidently I"m not 'womanly' enough for some people.

None of this is cricitism, it's observation and my experience. It does happen. YOU might not react that way with people, but some do.

Good, they need support

But from who?

Charities like Mermaids who are being investigated by the charity commission, do not seem to understand basic safeguarding principles, talk about 'skim reading' the most important report to come out on this topic in decades (Cass) and then hold their hands up to having no medical expertise in the area.

Don't vulnerable children deserve better than that?

I'm a 55 year old woman who has very short hair, and wears mainly men's style clothes and this has never, ever happened to me.

Are you suggesting we shouldn’t support teens struggling with gender identity? Because that’s a very bad idea.

I was undecided about my sexuality and wore men's suits and had a crew cut throughout my late teens and 20s. Literally never had any issues.

I think you need to be thankful you grew up in the era you did.

Gender identity isn't an actual thing, you know that right?

Are you suggesting we shouldn’t support teens struggling with gender identity? Because that’s a very bad idea.

Personally I think we need to understand more about the emerging issues with socially and medically transitioning children before supporting charities that are enthusiastic advocates of this. Particularly when they then turnaround and claim no medical expertise on the subject.

That just goes to show how incredibly ignorant you are of LGB history.

I'm a 55 year old woman who has very short hair, and wears mainly men's style clothes and this has never, ever happened to me.

Well, I'm genuinely glad for you that it's never happened to you. I get it now and again, and have done for years. Maybe I look more 'male' in the face? Who knows.
Just because it's not happened to you though, doesn't mean it doesn't happen to others.

I mean, lets not forget that the CEO of Mermaids transitioned her son because his dad didn't want his son to be gay. They took his toys away and he only said he was a girl so that he could play with them.

This should not be lauded or funded. It is incredible how many people fall for this.

And gender identity has nothing to do with sexuality. Nothing.

It's forced teaming.

That just goes to show how incredibly ignorant you are of LGB history.

No. Not at all.

Did you grow up in an era of mermaids, the genderbread man and countries like Scotland advocating social transitioning without parental knowledge?

Perhaps go read up on the rocketing numbers of young females identifying as trans and some of the tales of detransitioners and them let's have a conversation