NORWAY IS LOSING ITS MIND!

[Soontobe60]

Please read this Twitter thread by Christina Ellingsel from Norway. It shows how far Gender Identity politics has gone in removing the sex based rights of women.

twitter.com/_cellingsen/status/1592474694019866629?s=61&t=ySVa9E8PoeCA0sLA8MMY_g

Liked this part

“Women and girls are not a hormone level, a feeling, an inner sense of feminity. Women are not small, castrated men.”

Is this the purpose of the law? For men employed at lobbyorganisations for the queer patriarchy to be able to persecute women who disagrees with them by claiming a level of legal protection not even afforded to the people they imitate?

I was struck by this one

That is very powerful.

That is a great quote.

The most developed countries often have the worst ethics.

well, that's going down well

'queer patriarchy'- excellent characterisation

sorry I muddled my threads there, but queer partriarchy is still an excellent description
she has a link to a legal fund further down

This.

They’ve got nothing better to do. You don’t see people in the third world getting into gender identity, they’re too busy trying to feed themselves. It’s a such a Western thing. But I mean how else are white males going to feel oppressed?

dig for Christina she has a veg patch

She is so brave

I don’t understand how governments believe that men can become women just because they say they are

it’s like institutional madness

its about upholding men's rights not women's rights - and trans issues give an excuse to go back to persecuting women... if they could arrange a witch burning they would...

A witch burning eh.
You wouldn’t be able to get near for all the trans women clamouring to be tied to the stake. Surely.
Maybe.

Norwegians tend to be such practical people that it's quite shocking to me they too have been captured.

Isn't it funny how the countries who are most supportive and inclusive of trans people are also at the top of the tables when it comes to attempts to achieve gender parity? (Global Gender Gap report 2022)

The FWR boards has threads complaining about Norway and Jacinda Ardens's New Zealand presently, and they are at positions 3 & 4 on this table ... compared to the UK which is outside of the top 20. Ireland is at position 9, and of course we all know the steps it has taken for trans people's rights to self identify.

What is going on FWR boards? Why do you think countries that are doing better in efforts to achieve gender parity and improve women's lives also seem to be ones that are most supportive and inclusive of trans people?

I would hazard a guess that women being equal removes the power of the patriarchy and they don't like that, so they work to 'inclusively' strip women of the rights and protections that are making them more equal.

The closer women get to equality, (hint: the higher up the parity table) the less power men have to exert control over them and the more likely the systemic patriarchal structures are to support ways regaining that control (hint: by stripping women of hard fought rights and protections)

HTH

Down at number 85 on that list is Malta, one of the first European countries to introduce gender self-id. Malta also has a total ban on abortion, including in cases of rape or incest.

Two other countries with self-id are Brazil (94, another country with a near total ban on abortion) and Pakistan (145 out of 146).

I suspect most are not captured, so much as not remotely aware of the legal changes. I can’t remember where I saw it, but I read a Facebook thread (I think it was Facebook) the other day, where posters were discussing whether people could change sex in Norwegian. It was a discussion where views were being exchanged with little of the fear or reluctance you often see when this is discussed in English. A few posters were trying the transphobia accusations, but it was largely being ignored.

I’ve also seen colleagues casually laughing with people they just met over the whole “identifying as” [something you’re obviously not] scenario. So I think the capture is very much top down and under the radar. And because women are generally treated more equally, most people will probably remain unaware unless it affects them personally, or the newspapers start to pick up problems.

It’s why it’s taken so long to come to the fore in the UK that the GRA is problematic. Small numbers make for relatively small impact, so negative effects (though they are definitely there) take a long time to be proven to be significant. In the meantime, those few who are significantly affected find themselves unprotected, but until that is picked up with someone with the clout to do something about it, it won’t change.

Iran has the world's 2nd highest number of sexual 'reassignment ' operations iirc.

Illegal - and often fatal - to be gay. Not a feminist utopia either.

Plus I'm not sure how Self ID is going to help women achieve gender parity.

I agree with Prion1.
it has definitely been a quiet thing fristed on us from up above.Largely helped by wanting to be kind and inclusive.
there’s also a very well known transvestite who is a doctor, he has been on telly and talked a lot about the trans topic.
he looks a bit like Eddie izzard actually. 🤔

a lot of young people have jumped on the trans bandwagon, but it is evident they are confused as to what it really means. That is talking from the sample I know of, which was surprisingly numerous when I started counting.

there are girls who think they are boys, but in the same breath will say they are lesbians.

several have now detransitioned quietly, which luckily they could do because it was only attempts at social transitions and not medicalised ones.

I say attempts because I notice that for the boys who want to be girls it seems to be easier to be accepted by the girls.
for the girls who want to be boys, not so much. In fact, not at all in the sense that again the girls will accept them but the boys of the same age are not buying it and will not include them.

there are also the usual couples of older teenagers where they have «swapped» genders, but alas the dynamic is often that of a typical abusive relationship. Not all, but noticeably many.

I hope people do take notice now and that sense will prevail when it comes to Ellingsen’s case.

foisted

Self ID helps sex parity because part time women like PIppa Bunce make the pay gap at their Credit Suisse employer look much more equal. Its all SMOKE AND MIRRORS.

What is going on FWR boards? Why do you think countries that are doing better in efforts to achieve gender parity and improve women's lives also seem to be ones that are most supportive and inclusive of trans people?

It seems likely that in those countries there are more men agitating to be seen as women - if it meant a more obviously inferior social position, as in many other countries, they wouldn't be so keen. (The social situation in Iran would appear to contradict this, until you consider that it's still better to be viewed as a woman than as a gay man.)

Achieving gender parity is easy when anyone can be a woman. We can have 50% male bodied people who identify as men and 50% male bodied people that identify as women. Look gender parity!! And we don’t have to deal with those pesky female bodied people with their Menstruation and pregnancies and gross femaleness. Hell we don’t even ever have to put the toilet seat down. Utopia!

“What is going on FWR boards? Why do you think countries that are doing better in efforts to achieve gender parity and improve women's lives also seem to be ones that are most supportive and inclusive of trans people?”

What improvement to women’s lives? Oh do you mean women with male bodies or women with female bodies?

What improvement to women’s lives? Oh do you mean women with male bodies or women with female bodies?

Women in Norway have much better support with family life, starting with better maternity pay, encouragement to split parental leave, much higher child benefit, more affordable nursery care, just to start us off.

for the girls who want to be boys, not so much. In fact, not at all in the sense that again the girls will accept them but the boys of the same age are not buying it and will not include them.

Interesting (and sad) that despite all attempts to erase sexism, it’s still wholly ingrained, even at school level.