Telegraph: NHS Scotland plans to ‘fast-track irreversible surgery for trans patients’

[ResisterRex]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/14/nhs-scotland-plans-fast-track-irreversible-surgery-trans-patients/

Begins:

"Scotland’s NHS is planning to fast-track irreversible surgeries for transgender patientss_, documents seen by The Telegraph reveal.
An NHS Scotland report, suggesting new transgender treatment rules, calls for “barriers” to gender reassignment surgery to be removed and proposes radical measures to make operations more widely available.
These include allowing GPs, rather than specialists, to send patients for procedures and that a “single opinion” is enough to refer for surgery in most cases.
Trans patients can “benefit” from operations including mastectomies, breast implants and genital reassignment, as well as hormone treatments, even if they do not experience “distress” about their gender identity, it is claimed.
The proposed treatment rules say that a patient’s background or mental health need not be examined in detail before they are referred for the procedures.
The report goes on to call for an “affirming” model of non-surgical care to still be delivered to childrenn_, despite an expert review for NHS England, conducted by the esteemed paediatrician Hilary Cass, raising concerns about the approach."

So many people are having to go private in Scotland because waiting lists are so long

FfS get your priorities right Sturgeon

Its not only men who don't like woman saying no.

Although to give Sturgeon her due, she doesn't like anyone saying no to her.

But it really feels as if this fast tracked move to extremism is because 1/ woman disagree with her 2/ JKR has been very public in her disagreement 3/ Tories are going the opposite way.

So much of what sturgeon/the SNP says and does is about being better different to what Westminster are doing.

Fucking childish.

I can't help but look at the fast-track to medicalising children and how long it's taken and is taking to stop the madness, with this story:

Dentist denies endangering children with face-reshaping

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ef0ec07a-6446-11ed-9c3b-2d9184d0076f?shareToken=36e3920814681a43ba2e79bdcbb2f85b

The tribunal is ongoing but seems to centre on the "beliefs" of the dentist and interventions which were "not clinically indicated".

Does that budget include an item for being sued later?

@ResisterRex I can't help noticing that the dentist is called Mew, same surname as Darren from Mermaids who was also keen to push boundaries.

This is the way she and the SNP operate.

See the named person scheme. The more people bring up potential pitfalls the more they steam on ahead.

The only way to get through to them is to stop them via the courts.

What the hell is the deal with this bloody castration issue? Didn't the WPATH guidance lead to a fetish site for eunuchs?

When you read the article through that lens, the Telegraph appear to be well on their way to identifying a problem.

David Bell, the consultant psychiatrist and Tavistock Clinic whistleblower, said it was “very troubling indeed” to see the Scottish NHS treat WPATH as an “authority” on matters of trans health, something he said was a “complete fiction”.

The group that wrote the report decided to call its new protocol SPATH (Scottish Pathway for Trans Healthcare) in an apparent attempt to link itself to WPATH, a group which advocates gender surgery for adolescents.

The report states that counselling or psychotherapy examining gender identity “is not a prerequisite for any gender-affirming healthcare”, meaning people could be sent for operations without any interrogation of alternative reasons for gender dysphoria.

It adds: “People must not be expected to describe their childhood, sexuality, or current gender identity and gender expression in stereotypical ways in order to access gender-affirming healthcare.

“Access to hormones and surgeries can act as a prophylactic measure against distress. A trans person can have persistent gender incongruence without distress and can still benefit from gender-affirming hormones or surgeries.”

And just imagine if they get independence and have more free reign. Terrifying.

@Rightsraptor I think that could be why it caught my eye.

It's their front page / lead story

twitter.com/simon_telegraph/status/1592414484613701635?s=46&t=7qnNqt7oUVHOEpIAY6RZWg

Currently its 4 years to get a hip replacement on the NHS in Scotland and thats pain ALL THE TIME

What the hell is the deal with this bloody castration issue? Didn't the WPATH guidance lead to a fetish site for eunuchs?

The NHS Scotland NGICS posted the WPATH 'Standards of Care' on their website. These include a chapter on Eunuchs, which includes links to 'The Eunuch Archive', as its main resource of information. 'The Eunuch Archive' contains many hundreds of extreme descriptions of CSA.

When investigating the links being posted on an NHS Scotland website, the NHS had to inform Police Scotland as the material was of a serious enough nature.

I live in Scotland and the polarisation is terrifying. I wrote to my MSPs about the proposed conversion therapy bill (yes will still have one, trans and all) pointing out that the definition of "conversion therapy" is deliberately as vague and as wide as possible and it could apply to anything.

Didn't get much response. One conservative MSP said he would be looking closely at the bill. One Labour MSP told me that conversion therapy was "abhorrent" (twice) without saying what he thought it meant so he clearly has no idea either. Nothing from the other parties.

It's just party poliitcal four legs good, two legs bad.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/27/gender-identity-clinics-across-scotland-secretly-use-extreme/

Ah ha!

Yes, that would be a convenient excuse for not keeping promises made, wouldn’t it?

Another tick in the ‘Against’ column for staying in the Union whilst looking right-on, but not actually spending any more money.

I doubt English, Welsh and NI trans people will be very happy re: Nicola’s promises to fast track Scots patients to surgery, seeing as all 4 nations use the same handful of NHS England surgeons (it’s somewhat surprising that Scotland don’t even have a gender mastectomy team of their own).

I have heard of so many people going private specifically for this. Its disgraceful.

To be fair, I expect this report isn't written by Sturgeon. I don't know how much input she - or other politicians - will have had into it. If they did have, they'll have been sensible enough to keep a distance and their names out of it for plausible deniability later.

It seems quite clear that some people in NHS Scotland are deeply involved in WPATH and very invested in pushing the most extreme versions of 'affirmative' care.

The proposed treatment rules say that a patient’s background or mental health need not be examined in detail before they are referred for the procedures.

I'm lost for words......... total fucking insanity

To be fair, I expect this report isn't written by Sturgeon. I don't know how much input she - or other politicians - will have had into it. If they did have, they'll have been sensible enough to keep a distance and their names out of it for plausible deniability later.

Boris didn't. He answered questions in Parliament about the Cass Review. The situation in England is hardly ideal but prominent politicians don't seem to be hiding from this issue in the same way.

The proposed treatment rules say that a patient’s background or mental health need not be examined in detail before they are referred for the procedures.

How on earth can someone suffering mental health problems, or trauma, or any other condition that affect their ability to take in the long-term effects of the permanent and irrevesible removal of their sexual and reproductive organs, give meaningful consent before these problems have been examined in detail?

I am sure Sturgeon didn't write it. I doubt she has even read it. She'll just take other people's word that it's all fine and Scotland will become a world leader in genderwoo sexual freedom and advanced dangerous medical gender therapies.

WPATH presents itself as a global body of medical professionals but its critics believe it is little more than a lobbying group, set up to legitimise an extreme form of gender ideology. It believes people who identify as eunuchs should be able to receive castrations on the NHS.

In its new guidelines, which were released in September, it calls for “eunuch” to be recognised as an official gender identity and for “surgical intervention” to be considered for those who “wish to eliminate masculine physical features”.

Its guidelines provide a link to a eunuch fetish website that contains graphic depictions of child abuse so extreme that when they were examined by NHS cyber security staff, they recommended it was reported to Police Scotland.

How are these people not all under arrest?

They're taking advice from a group who openly displays child abuse on an adult fetish website.

Thread on WPATH and NHS Scotland with many links and lots of evidence:

twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1537481177564577795

How are these people not all under arrest?

They're taking advice from a group who openly displays child abuse on an adult fetish website.

Ah, sure, it was an accident.

This is nuts.The enormous ethical implications aside, haven't they noticed things like the Cass Review? The fact that detransitioners both in the UK and the US are starting to bring lawsuits against hospitals? In other words, can't they see which way the wind is blowing?