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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Izzard interview in New Statesman

71 replies

Abitofalark · 14/11/2022 17:33

Have not found a thread on this interview by Rachel Wearmouth. One has rather a lot to say about oneself and plenty of other things but not much that makes sense: “I consider myself a trans woman, I’m gender fluid”.
[In part]:
"Izzard came out as trans in 1985 and said two years ago that she preferred the pronouns she/her. She has been surprised by the reaction. “I consider myself a trans woman, I’m gender fluid,” she says. “I’ve been out for 37 years. I don’t know what everyone wants. Do they want more notice? 38 years? No one should be surprised.”

She wastes no time fretting about abuse – “37 years of transphobic bullying and it’s water off a duck’s back” – but nor does she want to be “the poster child” for the trans rights movement. “It’s not an overt thing. Obama wasn’t overtly going in to become the black president or a black senator,” she argues.

Starmer, she says, should avoid Tory culture wars on this and other subjects. “I would just say, don’t take the bait on that.”

If selected Izzard could become Labour’s first trans MP and debate about reforms to gender self-identification are splitting all political parties. Rosie Duffield, a Labour MP sceptical about self-ID, has said she’d rather be arrested than refer to Izzard as a woman when asked whether misgendering someone should be a hate crime; Starmer, however, has backed tougher laws.

Izzard has a stock answer: “Other people have to join the 21st century. I’m already in the 21st century. It’s 2022, so everyone else should just get on board.”

When we move on to discuss how self-ID reforms would affect women-only spaces she becomes impatient at being seen as the spokesperson for the trans movement. “I don’t have all the answers,” she says. “I happen to be trans. All I can do is say how it is for me. I can’t come in and wave a magic wand and solve all the problems, because some people are very entrenched.”

And some people strike me as being very entitled.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/labour/2022/11/eddie-izzard-interview-sheffield-labour-trans-rights

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BiggerBoat1 · 14/11/2022 17:35

Good on her. I love Eddie Izzard.

MrsTerryPratchett · 14/11/2022 17:36

I don’t have all the answers

No shit, Sherlock. Or any of the answers in fact.

I'd actually prefer if Eddie was honest and said, "I don't care" rather than "I don't know". I'd also like my money back for the merch and the shows.

MichaelFabricantWig · 14/11/2022 17:38

Why do publications pander to him by calling him she?

MichaelFabricantWig · 14/11/2022 17:40

No one expects him to have all the answers, but can he at least explain why he feels he is allowed to use female toilets?

zanahoria · 14/11/2022 17:40

archive.ph/sTRmQ

CharlieParley · 14/11/2022 17:41

Retconning at full speed.

I cannot wait for some people to disappear into obscurity...

Mind you for an entertainer and attention-seeker that would be worse than hell.

WaveyHair · 14/11/2022 17:43

37 years of transphobic bullying and it’s water off a duck’s back

Bit like been a woman then, constant misogynistic bullying and violence, judgement by society and treated as a seconded class citizen who have had to fight for basic rights like the vote, equal pay & still get shoddy medical attention.

But people seem to have forgotten this...

ErrolTheDragon · 14/11/2022 17:48

When we move on to discuss how self-ID reforms would affect women-only spaces she becomes impatient at being seen as the spokesperson for the trans movement. “I don’t have all the answers,” she says. “I happen to be trans. All I can do is say how it is for me.

Just speak for yourself then, Eddie. Seems like how it is is that Eddie doesn't believe in women-only spaces. Eddie has been using woman's loos since the time when Eddie publicly identified as a transvestite (not 'trans' let alone as a 'transwoman') and wondered about whether it was possible to be a 'male lesbian'.

zanahoria · 14/11/2022 17:48

. “There are a number of immigrants in the Tory party who hate immigrants,” she says. “That’s a curious thing. In the dictionary when you look up hypocrisy, surely there is something ringing in their ears.”

Who does he mean?

Whatever you think of Rishi Sunak and Suella Braverman, they were born in the UK and should not be classed as immigrants.

ditalini · 14/11/2022 17:50

I know it's common for history to be re-written in these cases, but it's certainly a treat to see it happening right out there in the wild.

One would have thought that the televised appearances talking about one's cross dressing, print media interviews where one declares oneself a man, and indeed one's autobiography, would be an issue when retconning "my truth", but no! Amazing.

Whereisthehugeteddybear · 14/11/2022 18:05

Off topic but in what way did she "come out" in the 1980s? I thought she was (then) a male comedian who liked to wear dresses/heels/nail varnish etc.
Wasn't there a quote from back then, "these are not womens clothes, they're mine"

NotBadConsidering · 14/11/2022 18:15

He came out as trans 37 years ago? What a load of bullshit.

For decades he’s been telling us he’s a bloke that likes to dress how he wants and wear make up. It’s only now that his “identity” has been brought under the trans umbrella by Stonewall.

It’s more rewriting history, like claiming Marsha P Johnson was trans.

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 14/11/2022 18:21

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KatMcBundleFace · 14/11/2022 18:24

Useful, this gender fluid lark. Means you can dress up in your boy mode clothes to get the well paid jobs. Phew.

sweetgrapes · 14/11/2022 18:25

zanahoria · 14/11/2022 17:48

. “There are a number of immigrants in the Tory party who hate immigrants,” she says. “That’s a curious thing. In the dictionary when you look up hypocrisy, surely there is something ringing in their ears.”

Who does he mean?

Whatever you think of Rishi Sunak and Suella Braverman, they were born in the UK and should not be classed as immigrants.

Sounds racist to me. Are PoC , much like women even, supposed to be aligned with (and maybe grateful) to the Labour party? Not have an opinion of their own?

ErrolTheDragon · 14/11/2022 18:27

But curious to understand why a self professed transvestite now feels he has the right to access spaces where females are in a state of undress

It's not 'now'. Izzard has written about the very first time he cross dressed in public, he used the ladies loos to change in and chased out some teenage girls who questioned him.

NecessaryScene · 14/11/2022 18:27

Current definitions do wrap transvestites up into the trans catchall, so I suppose he is correct in that sense.

Well, yes. Which is very helpful for people to visualise. A previous generation thought of a "transwoman" as Hayley Cropper from Coronation Street - a fictional transwoman played by an actual woman.

Now we can explain, that, no in reality "transwoman" means Eddie Izzard, and he's actually quite representative.

JohnsShirt · 14/11/2022 18:28

Oh do fuck off you over entitled man.

chosenone · 14/11/2022 18:30

I can’t believe she took acting roles off men! Why the hell did she do that, taking roles of cis men just isn’t fair at all.

tobee · 14/11/2022 18:35

I'm sick of this "it's 2022!" bullshit

Meseekslookatme · 14/11/2022 18:40

Whereisthehugeteddybear · 14/11/2022 18:05

Off topic but in what way did she "come out" in the 1980s? I thought she was (then) a male comedian who liked to wear dresses/heels/nail varnish etc.
Wasn't there a quote from back then, "these are not womens clothes, they're mine"

I loved Eddie for this.
I hate what they have become, still takes the male roles though...

Circumferences · 14/11/2022 18:43

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/11/2022 18:44

he ain't going to get selected for Sheffield, that much is pretty clear. and props to the people of sheffield for not being taken in by him

'where is sheffield?' indeed Eddie

Tabasco007 · 14/11/2022 18:46

BiggerBoat1 · 14/11/2022 17:35

Good on her. I love Eddie Izzard.

LOL

Wellies54 · 14/11/2022 18:51

The emperor is wearing no clothes.

Why on earth does a sixty something year old man have such a 'thing' for using women's toilets?

By the way, Eddie, in the 21st century men are allowed to wear dresses and no one really minds - this isn't the 1950s for heaven's sake!