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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Izzard interview in New Statesman

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Abitofalark · 14/11/2022 17:33

Have not found a thread on this interview by Rachel Wearmouth. One has rather a lot to say about oneself and plenty of other things but not much that makes sense: “I consider myself a trans woman, I’m gender fluid”.
[In part]:
"Izzard came out as trans in 1985 and said two years ago that she preferred the pronouns she/her. She has been surprised by the reaction. “I consider myself a trans woman, I’m gender fluid,” she says. “I’ve been out for 37 years. I don’t know what everyone wants. Do they want more notice? 38 years? No one should be surprised.”

She wastes no time fretting about abuse – “37 years of transphobic bullying and it’s water off a duck’s back” – but nor does she want to be “the poster child” for the trans rights movement. “It’s not an overt thing. Obama wasn’t overtly going in to become the black president or a black senator,” she argues.

Starmer, she says, should avoid Tory culture wars on this and other subjects. “I would just say, don’t take the bait on that.”

If selected Izzard could become Labour’s first trans MP and debate about reforms to gender self-identification are splitting all political parties. Rosie Duffield, a Labour MP sceptical about self-ID, has said she’d rather be arrested than refer to Izzard as a woman when asked whether misgendering someone should be a hate crime; Starmer, however, has backed tougher laws.

Izzard has a stock answer: “Other people have to join the 21st century. I’m already in the 21st century. It’s 2022, so everyone else should just get on board.”

When we move on to discuss how self-ID reforms would affect women-only spaces she becomes impatient at being seen as the spokesperson for the trans movement. “I don’t have all the answers,” she says. “I happen to be trans. All I can do is say how it is for me. I can’t come in and wave a magic wand and solve all the problems, because some people are very entrenched.”

And some people strike me as being very entitled.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/labour/2022/11/eddie-izzard-interview-sheffield-labour-trans-rights

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Abitofalark · 14/11/2022 20:07

zanahoria · 14/11/2022 17:48

. “There are a number of immigrants in the Tory party who hate immigrants,” she says. “That’s a curious thing. In the dictionary when you look up hypocrisy, surely there is something ringing in their ears.”

Who does he mean?

Whatever you think of Rishi Sunak and Suella Braverman, they were born in the UK and should not be classed as immigrants.

His comments sparked a stinging riposte from Spiked:

"Does Eddie Izzard think all migrants should think alike?

Supposedly liberal politicians need to stop chiding ethnic minorities for disagreeing with them about immigration."

Fraser Myers does a neat job on showing him up on this:

www.spiked-online.com/2022/11/12/does-eddie-izzard-think-all-migrants-should-think-alike/

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NeverOneBiscuit · 14/11/2022 20:12

AGP is such a large part of the picture but not often mentioned.

These older men, usually white and middle class, haven’t been struggling for years with crippling gender dysphoria. They haven’t lived a half life with this truly difficult condition.

They’ve generally been successful in their field, often married and had children, and are now declaring themselves as trans.

And what’s the big difference between these men, and those genuine transsexuals? Validation. The former group desire validation, and the ultimate kink is to be validated as a woman, by a woman.

So I will never be a part of their fetish. No man will hear me calling him a woman.

ArabellaScott · 14/11/2022 20:14

I can’t come in and wave a magic wand

No, you can't. Put it away, Eddie.

NeverOneBiscuit · 14/11/2022 20:17

Arabella 😁

Boiledbeetle · 14/11/2022 20:21

tobee · 14/11/2022 18:35

I'm sick of this "it's 2022!" bullshit

I'm right there with you, although...

It's 2022 and today I had a Labour candidate, who will not be getting my vote, on being asked if a TW was a man or a woman tell me that she believes a TW is whatever they feel like So yes a woman.

I mean it's 2022 why am i even having to have that bloody conversation!

The world is going backwards! Although Actually more like sideways. I'm honestly feeling like im in some parallel universe these days!

chosenone · 14/11/2022 20:25

I am not part of the problem. I’m highlighting the ridiculous that was a man when the acting roles for men rolled in. Used to happily call himself and Transvestite but suddenly the narrative has changed and History re written.

hamstersarse · 14/11/2022 20:30

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PickAChew · 14/11/2022 20:36

Izzard is rather too full of Izzard's self. I'm so glad he's not hoping to stand here.

Whereisthehugeteddybear · 14/11/2022 20:38

I hope he gets an embarrassing number of votes (like single figures - preferably just the one - his own)

RoyalCorgi · 14/11/2022 20:39

It's 2022, and we're expected to believe something that the human race has never believed? We sometimes laugh at people in the past because they worshipped the sun good, or they thought the earth was flat, or they thought that witches could make the crops fail.

But never before have human beings been so fucking stupid they thought humans could change sex.

fromorbit · 14/11/2022 20:51

QualityAndQuantity · 14/11/2022 19:37

You are parsing that incorrectly.

First they have local support, and secondly they are all women. The also means in addition to having local support, not in addition to Izzard being a woman.

That was indeed what I was aiming to say. Sorry for confusion. The three women candidates seem obviously better qualified to be MPs and they have done better in the campaign.

Eddie Izzard himself thinks he is genderfluid. I think he is better labelled a transvestite, but Eddie has decided to adopt theoretical gender labelling. Unless it is time to get an acting job of course.

borogovia · 14/11/2022 20:58

I don't think I've ever seen Eddie give any thought to the ways in which his career might have been different, maybe more difficult, if he had indeed been a woman comic in the 90s.

littlbrowndog · 14/11/2022 21:02

RoyalCorgi · 14/11/2022 20:39

It's 2022, and we're expected to believe something that the human race has never believed? We sometimes laugh at people in the past because they worshipped the sun good, or they thought the earth was flat, or they thought that witches could make the crops fail.

But never before have human beings been so fucking stupid they thought humans could change sex.

That’s it. The whole fucking craziness right there

Toseland · 14/11/2022 21:12

Mr Izzard is outright lying about the 37 years (I was there) and no he won't be a "poster child" (if there is such a thing?) just like he won't be a bloody girl! Stop being such a creep you disapointment!

QualityAndQuantity · 14/11/2022 21:14

I really used to be a fan of his. I respected him saying that a man could wear a dress and make-up if they wanted, I liked his comedy, and thought his marathons thing for charity was really admirable.

I know that the disdain that has now replaced the respect won’t matter at all to him, but it’s sad to see what he’s become (and no, not trans, I mean the dishonesty about his past, and about his politics.)

pink85 · 14/11/2022 21:33

Eddie never came out as trans over 30 years ago he was always just that great comedian who wore whatever the f he wanted and I'm even sure he said he was a crossdresser/transvestite at that time so this is bull he has been completely captured and I can't stand him now which is so sad he used to be my fave comedian and he really was fluid in what men should be able to wear. I hate the fact he has boy and girl modes that is so insulting, the iranian women can't just switch of their girl mode. Eddie is his own sketch now, the one with the toothpicks...

zanahoria · 14/11/2022 22:04

" I was born in England. I am not white. If someone referred to me as an immigrant I'd be mightily dischuffed and think that person was an ignorant racist twat. "

He keeps coming across as completely ignorant and arrogant on so many issues but I really would have thought someone wanting to be a Labour MP would known better than to refer to people who were born here as immigrants. It is factually wrong and offensive.

It also annoys me that the New Statesman did not pick him up on it. All they had to do was ask him who he meant.

MidsomerMurmurs · 14/11/2022 22:06

@NeverOneBiscuit AGP is such a large part of the picture but not often mentioned

Well I think it does get mentioned fairly regularly actually but is almost always immediately deleted by Mumsnet mods. Why would that be?

QualityAndQuantity · 14/11/2022 22:20

MidsomerMurmurs · 14/11/2022 22:06

@NeverOneBiscuit AGP is such a large part of the picture but not often mentioned

Well I think it does get mentioned fairly regularly actually but is almost always immediately deleted by Mumsnet mods. Why would that be?

The deletions are very strange. Posts have been deleted for stating the sex of a category of trans people, for example, and yes, a condition that’s known to affect a significant fraction of trans women isn’t allowed to be mentioned here.

NeverOneBiscuit · 14/11/2022 22:29

Agree about the AGP deletions. I wrote my post fully expecting it to be deleted. It’s why I’ve rarely mentioned it before.

Still there …..

ErrolTheDragon · 14/11/2022 22:37

chosenone · 14/11/2022 20:25

I am not part of the problem. I’m highlighting the ridiculous that was a man when the acting roles for men rolled in. Used to happily call himself and Transvestite but suddenly the narrative has changed and History re written.

Yeah, I think someone upthread just didn't get the total sarcasm of your previous post.

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