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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dylan Mulvaney vs Micheal Jackson

35 replies

MightyMike · 10/11/2022 16:32

Watching Dylans tik tok videos on days of girl hood. I originally was supportive of Dylan as an obvious, gay man. Probably just as affected by toxic masculinity as any woman.

I thought his videos were just light fluff. But I've just watched him do a reaction video to all "the haters". Then it struck me his faux vulnerability, his insistence on behaving like a child or young teenager.

This is exactly how Micheal Jackson behaved.

Dylan is an adult living a fantasy life as a girl, including all the stereotypes of young teenagers. He even tried to enter a space reserved for young girls at Disney Land.

Every time I see Dylan now I can't help but compare him to MJ and how MJ tried to live out a permanent boyhood fantasy. Including extreme plastic surgery. Changing the body to be in line with the inner fantasy.

Posting as I thought it was an interesting comparison and if anyone else sees this.

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FatEaredFuck · 10/11/2022 16:51

I see what you mean - the faux naivety, asking for gentle understanding, the tone and pitch.

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Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 10/11/2022 17:08

Until he was a ‘girl’, he used to be a front singer in a band called ( I think) the ‘Y’ fronts. Yup, he performed in his underpants, nothing else. Some serious issues there, I think.
Dylan wasn’t / isn’t as talented as Micheal Jackson. But he’s good enough to fool the President of The United States, apparently.

BedTaker · 10/11/2022 17:18

I can't figure out Dylan Mulvanney at all. When I first saw them I assumed it was parody, because surely no one would openly be that offensive about women. But then when I looked at the Instagram, there was talk of hormones, surgery etc and I realised it wasn't parody, at not on the surface.

What's more terrifying is all the people lapping it up.

I know others have said that if this is some sort of 'experiment' to see how far one can push trans ideology, and how offensive one can be towards women before people start to question it, then Dylan may actually be putting themselves in a very dangerous position.

Somanysocks · 10/11/2022 17:21

His videos always look like spoofs, prancing around in the park looked ridiculous.

happydappy2 · 10/11/2022 17:24

I believe Dylan also appeared onstage in The book of Mormons….then when covid hit the acting work dried up, this is the latest revenue stream…

MightyMike · 10/11/2022 17:31

Yes, you're right its the pitch and tone, also the body language. The scary wide eyed look he has, which I see with MJ in his later years. I think DM has a good voice pre girl hood, but very musical theatre, which is not really my thing. Nothing like the talent of MJ.

But no matter how talented there is something similarly "off' about both of them. The huge desire not to be their original self but something else completely. Acting out a childhood vulnerability to try and get everyone to believe they are special and extra vulnerable.

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Tinner01 · 10/11/2022 18:15

Except Michael had real mental health issues and infantilised himself as away of escaping from his difficult and tumultuous adult life. Dylan is not just doing that but doing it as a “girl”- something which is very harmful to women and girls.

NotTerfNorCis · 10/11/2022 18:21

Dylan's videos are actually quite offensive if you take them as a serious representation of what Dylan thinks a woman is. On the 'first day of being a girl', didn't Dylan claim to have cried three times ? And a load of other insulting, sexist stuff.

Pieceofpurplesky · 10/11/2022 18:34

Have you seen the video of them on The Price is Right 🤮

FatEaredFuck · 10/11/2022 19:50

Tinner01 · 10/11/2022 18:15

Except Michael had real mental health issues and infantilised himself as away of escaping from his difficult and tumultuous adult life. Dylan is not just doing that but doing it as a “girl”- something which is very harmful to women and girls.

In fairness, you've absolutely no idea what trauma Dylan may have gone through. Dont think we should start playing troubled background to excuse MJs behaviour or Dylan's - especially when it's impossible to know any true extent.

puffyisgood · 10/11/2022 19:53

Dylan is a performer, none of his content is to be taken at all seriously.

Lampedsomeoiks · 10/11/2022 19:56

Both reflect((ed) in MJ's case) a Man in the Mirror.

SD1978 · 10/11/2022 20:12

Dylan is utterly offensive. I also thought it was very clever satire initially- seeing how far you could go whilst having people support your right to be who you want, and now realise it's not. They are offensive, and the wide eyed, I'm a girl shite is vile quite frankly. The comments they make are vile, and the only thing I can say is congratulations on the absolute crap ton of money they have made exploiting tick tok

RoyalCorgi · 10/11/2022 20:27

Except Michael had real mental health issues and infantilised himself as away of escaping from his difficult and tumultuous adult life.

Let's be frank. Michael Jackson's presentation of himself as a naive, infantilised, child-like adult – complete with a fairground that he could bring young boys home to play on – was simply a cover that allowed him to sexually abuse children.

Tinner01 · 10/11/2022 20:36

FatEaredFuck · 10/11/2022 19:50

In fairness, you've absolutely no idea what trauma Dylan may have gone through. Dont think we should start playing troubled background to excuse MJs behaviour or Dylan's - especially when it's impossible to know any true extent.

Oh I agree. @RoyalCorgi i agree with you too. I should have been more clear- I meant that Michael’s infantile behaviour was at the very least in part due to trauma etc, and until his sex crimes were alleged, most people understood that that was why. The events following obviously complicated things and pointed to your explanation, corgi.

Dylan has made no mention of any sort of traumatic background regarding trauma that caused him to act the way he does- and unless he does make an admission he will only continue to make things worse for himself as for the time being he just seems like an AGP male with a fetish for being viewed as a young girl instead of an adult male.

I wish Dylan peace and happiness as I do all people but he is never going to win any rational persons support the way he currently acts. He doesn’t deserve hatred, he probably has all sorts of stuff to work through as trans people generally do. But if he continues to act in a way that can be generally viewed as pedophilic and or misogynistic he will only dig himself a deeper hole.

I hope this has made my opinion more clear ☺️

FOJN · 10/11/2022 20:52

I don't believe there is anything vulnerable about Dylan. I think Dylan is really quite unpleasant behind all the sweetness and smiles.

Wellies54 · 10/11/2022 21:11

I think Dylan is part of an increasing trend - being a woman is a life style choice. It's not about 'feeling like you're in the wrong body' or trauma or anything, it's a way of life: style of dress, a way of behaving, deliberately provoking women, seeing hormones almost as pills to be taken like vitamin supplements. He might as well have done day one of being a vegan or day one of the 5k challenge. It's purely amusement and attention for him.

picklemewalnuts · 10/11/2022 21:14

He doesn't come across as gay to me. Not at all.

RambamThankyouMam · 10/11/2022 21:41

He's a grifter, pure and simple.

SarahDippity · 10/11/2022 21:46

Dylan opts into all the things that create horrific stereotypes of young girls. The thousands of likes and the public profile and access he gets baffle me.

NotBadConsidering · 10/11/2022 22:24

I made this point on another thread that even if it’s some form of deep satire, I still think it’s incredibly offensive. No man of integrity could continue to play such an offensive role to make a point, it would all be too much.

puffyisgood · 11/11/2022 07:47

I'm mildly disappointed that this thread got to 20-odd posts with anyone making the obvious/old gag that one thing Mulvaney & Jackson definitely do have in common is he/he(e) pronouns 😶

NancyDrawed · 11/11/2022 08:52

The first time I saw DM I felt mildly unkind as he was very smiley in the video I saw and seemed harmless, if deluded. I now find him hugely offensive.

I have recently seen something where he says that he has had to come out a third time to his parents - first was as gay, then trans and now as a straight woman. So although I have no idea if there is any trauma in DM's past, it would appear that his relationship with his parents is okay.

SammyScrounge · 25/04/2023 18:01

puffyisgood · 10/11/2022 19:53

Dylan is a performer, none of his content is to be taken at all seriously.

Safer to take seriously that he tried to get in with the little girls at Disney land. I don't what that was all about but better safe than sorry.