Dylan Mulvaney vs Micheal Jackson

[MightyMike]

Watching Dylans tik tok videos on days of girl hood. I originally was supportive of Dylan as an obvious, gay man. Probably just as affected by toxic masculinity as any woman.

I thought his videos were just light fluff. But I've just watched him do a reaction video to all "the haters". Then it struck me his faux vulnerability, his insistence on behaving like a child or young teenager.

This is exactly how Micheal Jackson behaved.

Dylan is an adult living a fantasy life as a girl, including all the stereotypes of young teenagers. He even tried to enter a space reserved for young girls at Disney Land.

Every time I see Dylan now I can't help but compare him to MJ and how MJ tried to live out a permanent boyhood fantasy. Including extreme plastic surgery. Changing the body to be in line with the inner fantasy.

Posting as I thought it was an interesting comparison and if anyone else sees this.

He was on a game show and his behaviour then was no different to now, so I’m not sure how he’s more like a ‘girl’ now.
Hes an out of work, fame hungry young man.

Question is, why has he had overnight success on Tik Tok? I'm suspicious of who's behind promoting him.

This is the best comment on MN, ever. I doff my cap.

I don't really see the two as very similar. They both come off as somewhat feminine men - what people used to call effeminate, but that's really about it, from my POV.

I see Dylan as a complete grifter, a tint talent but really nothing more, someone desperate to be in the limelight.

Jackson on the other hand was thrust into his career with really no say in it, and I'm not sure he ever really enjoyed fame as such. He was also a huge musical talent and probably didn't want to stop being a creator.

I don't think he was weird just to attract kids, I think he really was weird and had no idea how to be normal. And I don't have any reason to think Dylan is an abuser so much as a narcissist who doesn't care what effect he has on others.

Absolutely huge difference between the two, imo.
I think MJ was very badly abused and robbed of a childhood, which left him with severe mental problems and emotionally stunted, that caused him to seek some sort of sanctuary with children - people on his own level emotionally.
I personally never believed that he hurt/interfered with kids but was a great blackmail mark and how can you prove you're innocent of those sorts of accusations? You just can't, that's the sort of mud that sticks, in great big clemmies at that.
I seem to remember, if memory serves, that the listener, watcher and psychologist, thought he was innocent of those accusations too but that he was definitely developmentally arrested emotionally.

DM, on the other hand knows exactly what he is doing imo.

did you see this?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4785548-dylan-mulvaney-created-in-a-boardroom

“That’s ignorant” - Michael Jackson’s catchphrase on South Park.

Wonder when South Park will “do” Mulvaney and/or Marsh?

Mulveney is simply a chancing, bullshitting misogynist who hit the big time on social media claiming 'girlhood' status. After years as a stand up comedian Mulveney's blend of Glee club meets Rocky Horror Show finally landed as TWAW became the latest road to sanctity. The guys a performance.

Regardless of his personal life, Michael was a talented singer, dancer, choreographer and entertainer.

What has Dylan got to offer other than prancing around in a demented fashion in an obscene caricature of a female?

Michael often appeared as being vulnerable and a frightened individual wanting to hide.

Dylan appears as a cocksure flamboyant seeking attention at all times.

Is the degree of harm to others measured by the harm done to the victim, or the intent and deliberation of the harmer?

MJ may have sincerely felt and believed that he was/identified as another child and therefore was innocently playing and/or experimenting as a young teen would with their first loves. To him it may have honestly felt something beautiful and wonderful and sincere. But the reality was that he was an adult man with all the power and wider awareness of an adult man, engaging with a naive and star struck child. That inevitably shades into grooming behaviour, and how far that went is irrelevant, no one knows the truth of it. But he did use that position and power to use young boys to meet his own needs.

Does it matter how sincerely a male person identifies as a woman when they are using women and children to meet their own needs? The bottom line of it that they are not in fact what they envisage themselves as, and that using their position of greater power to use others as tools to meet own needs is ethically and morally very wrong. As with MJ: we have no way of measuring how cynically or intentionally or innocently a male person may be doing it.