Legal action against Eventbrite for unlawful discrimination

[Spero]

On Oct 27 2022, Eventbrite pulled my book launch event for 'Transpositions - personal journeys into gender criticism'. This was a collection of stories from men and women about how they got involved in issues around sex and gender. Some of you may have contributed.

They told me that I was promoting 'violent and dangerous' content. I asked them to explain themselves. They haven't. So I am taking them to court for unlawful discrimination against my gender critical belief.

I wrote about it in the Critic here thecritic.co.uk/why-is-eventbrite-obstructing-my-book-launch/

I am hoping that some people may feel able to do a spot of gardening. I know its dark and miserable and not the best weather for gardening, but I think this could be quite an important piece of digging. There are some really important questions to ask about how private companies, based overseas are allowed to dictate what we think or say.

Ciswoman is an offensive label foisted on women. Nice DARVO saying that objecting is being provocative.

The lack of logic on this thread is doing my head in.

Perhaps instead of attacking existing rape crisis centres, well funded GC people could set up support groups for cis women with this exception.

You aren't advocating for male cleaners to be removed from toilets, or male staff from prisons, even though your ostensible reason for fearing transgender women is "because they are men".

Misgendering is deliberately using the wrong pronouns to refer to an individual...So it’s really disingenuous imho to pretend that the term cis-woman is a form of misgendering.

Please try and think further than the end of your sentence. Go on, make the next step...

Calling me a cis woman is claiming that I have a woman/feminine gender identity.
I don't believe I do. Did you not understand that was what people meant?

Weren't Eventbrite meant to get back by the 16th? Either 'Sorry' or 'We'll see you in court'?

@DadJoke do you agree with trans guidance that if you 'reject gender identification completely' you are agender?

single-sex spaces which meet the EA2010 criteria easily are support groups for pregnant people and ailments which only affect people with female reproductive systems. Perhaps instead of attacking existing rape crisis centres, well funded GC people could set up support groups for cis women with this exception. The important thing is that the EA2010 doesn't oblige anyone to do this - it merely permits it.

@DadJoke Are you thinking that it wasn't women who originally set up these crisis centres in the first place? Also we aren't cis anything. We are women.

No it isn't. It's referring to them by the 'gender' they don't identify as.

Pronouns is one way of doing this.

Actually calling them the completely wrong gender is another way, obvs.

You need to keep up with the logic.

Just to be clear, as it seems not everyone realises: 'cis' means 'same side' (apparently). It means you have some aspect of your personality/soul/whatever that 'matches' your sex.

I absolutely reject the notion that your sex directly determines your personality - that there even is a set of characteristics that 'match' male and a separate set that 'match' female. There are a few exceptions borne out by data - discussed in depth on other threads so don't want to derail here - but saying 'if you are good at maths that means you are probably one sex and not the other' (for example) is ludicrous.

Sure, by socialisation and sexism in society you can be shaped, but I don't think that this - which amounts to 'gender conformity' - is a good or necessary thing, and the more we can get away from assuming 'men are like this and women are like this', the more equal society will be.

But lots of TRAs dishonestly say that gender-critical people are the opposite - that they WANT gender conformity. We are not the people saying that aspects of your personality/soul/whatever determines what sex you are 'aligned with'....

Just to be clear, as it seems not everyone realises: 'cis' means 'same side' (apparently). It means you have some aspect of your personality/soul/whatever that 'matches' your sex.

In practical terms, what does it mean for a personality to match a sex?

Absolutely.

Missexing is deliberately using the wrong pronouns to refer to an individual.

But lots of TRAs dishonestly say that gender-critical people are the opposite - that they WANT gender conformity. We are not the people saying that aspects of your personality/soul/whatever determines what sex you are 'aligned with'....

Ironically women saying "NO" and 'FUCK OFF" to men is far more gender non conforming than a man growing his hair & getting fake tits. But TRAs dehumanise women by refusing to acknowledge their experiences and inner lives at all. Appearance and the opinions of men are all that matters.

My objection to the ridiculous use of the word cis (a Latin prefix which was co-opted by social scientists in the mid 1990's to reduce women into a subset of their own sex class) is the deeply hypocritical rudeness of those who insist that referring to someone by the correct pronoun (and in doing so, making them tell a lie by ignoring the evidence in front of their own eyes) is literal violence while referring to women by a nonsense term which they have been explicitly asked not to use.

And as for 'non men'...

You do have to laugh (bitterly) at the 'if 'cis' women want single sex services, they should set them up themselves'.

They did. They were colonised.

If they try to now, they are demonised as 'transphobic' - the I am Sarah case being a prime example.

If they try to stay single sex (using the exemptions available to them), their funding is cut because they are 'not inclusive enough'.

Just read that back. Obviously meant 'and not making people tell a lie by ignoring the evidence in front of their own eyes'.

I was asked to give examples. Trans women can also be legally excluded from certain sports under the EA2010, for example.And I'm not reducing women to their reproductive organs, that's a gender critical schtick. People who are pregnant go to pregnancy support groups. Pregnancy doesn't make a person a woman. Not all people who are pregnant are women.

People who are a danger to other inmates should be treated accordingly, but not filtered based on their gender identity. If you were truly worried about the danger to women from men in prisons you'd be advocating for the removal of male staff, and the separation of all dangerous inmates, but your entire focus is on trans women. The idea that you object to them because "they are men" is disingenuous.

No,referrring to people who are not transgender as not transgender is not misgendering. Referring to someone who is not trasngender as transgender (which is a problem for GNC people when they are confronted by GC people in toilets) is.

People who are a danger to other inmates should be treated accordingly, but not filtered based on their gender identity.

Gender identity doesn't exist so you mean 'sex' right? We don't have prisons for people in pink prison outfits and another prison for those in blue do we?

I wonder why we are concerned about males (particularly male sex offenders) in the female prison estate....

It might be because convicted sex offenders are being placed in the female prison estate in Scotland -
www.nationalreview.com/news/transgender-sex-offenders-placed-in-womens-jails-in-scotland/

It might be because of criminals suddenly deciding that they are trans only after their conviction -
archive.ph/2022.10.04-232359/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-of-scottish-trans-prisoners-changed-gender-after-convictions-pftqbbhg6

It might be because, unsurprisingly, many of these criminals revert to their original gender upon release -
www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/anger-trans-inmates-revert-males-25840252 (this is also in The Times but I don't have a share token).

And the self id of the SPS allows for all this.

But DadJoke knows all this. So I post these links for the benefit of lurkers.

@DadJoke at least you have an apt name. You’re funny. I do like it when you come and try to mansplain to us poor likkle wimmens and our pink fluffy lady brains. You can believe in your gender religion shtick all you like. That’s your right. It’s our right not to. You may want men in womens prisons. I can guess why. Women don’t. Why do you believe the rights of men who have a trans identity who wishes to to have that identity validated should trump those of a woman who wishes to have access to single sex spaces?

And just to highlight (from the first link I gave), a response from SPS regarding the review regarding their self ID policy (for which they were advised by the Scottish Trans Alliance) -

'The SPS spokesman told The Times that “one of the groups we will be particularly keen to consult is the female prison population, who have not been specifically consulted about this before.”

Not all people who are pregnant are women.

Yes they are. You are insane.

As @DadJoke doesn't seem to know the answer to this, they are hardly in a position to comment on who does and doesn't fall under the trans umbrella for determining what 'misgendering' is.

If you were truly worried about the danger to women from men in prisons you'd be advocating for the removal of male staff, and the separation of all dangerous inmates, but your entire focus is on trans women.

You're hardly being honest if you think that a) women aren't arguing for the separation of dangerous inmates and b) that there is no difference between a prisoner with a criminal history being locked up with women and a male member of staff being employed to work there. Besides, many people are advocating for female-only staff to carry out some duties.

People who are a danger to other inmates should be treated accordingly, but not filtered based on their gender identity.

Again - you are being dishonest if you say that people here are suggesting 'gender identity' is a category that should be used for anything. You know full well it isn't, because you have been told repeatedly. It seems you only post when you mis-state what we say, because you can't answer otherwise. I don't actually mind this, because it becomes obvious to lurkers that this is all you have.

It is someone's sex, not their gender, gender identity, gender reassignment, level of cultural femininity or masculinity, dress, appearance, surgery, etc that should determine which sex-segregated spaces they should go in. This seems to be a very tricky concept for many to grasp.

Yes they are responding but by PST which I assume means much later today for me. I have a conference lined up on 21st if their response is negative.

O dear.

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