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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

UK Drag Queen Charged for CSA materials

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burneruser · 05/11/2022 17:39

And was involved in the publication of a calendar sold to raise money for mermaids.

I'm not sure if this was covered in other recent threads or not, apologies if I missed it then.

reduxx.info/uk-drag-queen-charged-on-three-counts-related-to-child-sexual-abuse-materials/

"A drag queen who performed under the name ‘Miss Rachel Rear’ has appeared in court on charges related to the possession and production of indecent and prohibited images of children.
Andrew Duncan, 24, is facing multiple counts related to 17 pieces of child sexual abuse materials he was found with. Some of the materials were media of real children, and others were illegal fantasy depictions of children engaged in obscene, pornographic acts.
Among the photographs found on Duncan’s devices were some classified as ‘Category A’ — the most serious type. Images and video in this categoryy_ can depict penetrative sexual activity, bestiality, and/or sexual sadism involving children.
Duncan is alleged to also have been in possession of and produced child sexual abuse materials via digital means, otherwise known as a “prohibited image.” In the United Kingdom, prohibited images are non-photographic media created by computer generation, cartoon, or drawing which feature pornographic and obscene depictions of children."
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6577301/Drag-queens-pose-glamorous-calendar.html

UK Drag Queen Charged for CSA materials
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YelenaBlackWidow · 05/11/2022 21:07

Happylittlechicken · 05/11/2022 20:59

Child abuse is horrible and vile but do you have the same attitude towards postmen, office workers or firemen when one is found guilty of it, or is just drag queens you tar with the same brush?

where is the demand to allow postmen office workers and firemen to read stories to children whilst dressed in lingerie? If allowing adult entertainers to read to children is so good for them, why do we not have strippers and lap dancers going in to libraries for stripper story hour?

They don't read to children dressed, in lingerie.

YelenaBlackWidow · 05/11/2022 21:10

Google uk drag Queen story time, it's all fully clothed. And sex workers reading children's stories in their spare time would not a safeguarding risk either. All people that work or volunteer have enhanced DBS. Lots of sex workers have children of their own.

Dreamwhisper · 05/11/2022 21:12

They ask for photo shoots of kids in bedrooms

Is this true can you link?

I find that extremely concerning but sometimes stuff on here is misrepresented quite badly.

burneruser · 05/11/2022 21:13

No one said it's a bdsm mermaids calendar.

Mermaids didn't commission it.

But people decide it's a jolly good idea to create such a calendar in aid of mermaids. A childrens charity.

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ZeldaFighter · 05/11/2022 21:14

YelenaBlackWidow · 05/11/2022 20:57

If there are safeguarding issues, raise them, doesn't mean drag queens in and of themselves are paedophiles or a safeguarding issue. In the same way as I said before, if a postie, office worker or firemen was convicted we don't immediately say they are all a safeguarding risk. If as you say they are doing photo shoots in bedrooms with children that sounds a bit dodgy who is 'they' a particular drag queen or Mermaids? I'd also say lots of charity calendars are completely naked, the most famous first one being the women's institute. Firemen, horse riders and rowers being others I've seen. I don't think anyone is defending actual safeguarding risk.

But there was discussion about whether people would be frightened of going to the doctor after Harold Shipman's crimes were revealed. So yes, people do worry about similar people in similar situations.

YelenaBlackWidow · 05/11/2022 21:17

burneruser · 05/11/2022 21:13

No one said it's a bdsm mermaids calendar.

Mermaids didn't commission it.

But people decide it's a jolly good idea to create such a calendar in aid of mermaids. A childrens charity.

No one? Neither of the below statements are true. There's enough bad stuff to talk about without making stuff up.


Yep, a perfect idea for Mermaids, a charity for children, to have a group of people producing a sexist, misogynistic, sexual calendar to raise money for them.

Just perfect.

And now we find out one of the participants in the calendar has a penchant for child sex abuse images, well, well, well.

Dreamwhisper · 05/11/2022 21:17

burneruser · 05/11/2022 21:13

No one said it's a bdsm mermaids calendar.

Mermaids didn't commission it.

But people decide it's a jolly good idea to create such a calendar in aid of mermaids. A childrens charity.

Oh this is really very different though. There's a company that sells sex toys where part of their profit goes to charities for victims of SA or similar.

It's understandable that people affected by an issue (trans rights) would do something in their own sphere and send the money on to a charity that deals with areas that concern them.

The focal point should be this guy (not trans, a drag queen, correct?) who is abusing his position to exploit children. Sadly, all agencies and areas of life are vulnerable to people targeting them with the explicit purpose of accessing vulnerable children. As awful as this is, I don't think it's necessarily indicative of anything to do with drag queen or mermaids.

In fact, if you are incorrect and he was not involved in the development of the calendar, where is the link to mermaids at all?

Happylittlechicken · 05/11/2022 21:18

YelenaBlackWidow · 05/11/2022 21:07

They don't read to children dressed, in lingerie.

So the drag queens go in in jeans, tee shirts and no make up? Or do they go in dressed as they would if they were entertaining In an adult club?

Dreamwhisper · 05/11/2022 21:19

sorry that should say, all agencies and areas dealing with children*

YelenaBlackWidow · 05/11/2022 21:23

@ZeldaFighter I don't recall people being scared of doctors because of one serial killer, but if that did happen that's another example of unfounded stigma and prejudice to be scared of all doctors because of one. Drag Queen doesn't equal paedophile. Paedophile = paedophile. There's no correlation, most children are abused by someone they know, and I'm sure if someone better at googling them me looked for the stats the majority would be straight males. Drag queens tend to, although not always, be gay or bi.

YelenaBlackWidow · 05/11/2022 21:24

@Happylittlechicken it looks like a rainbow trouser suit.

YelenaBlackWidow · 05/11/2022 21:29

@Happylittlechicken this is their normal outfit. No lingerie. No 'adult' outfits.

www.theargus.co.uk/news/19318245.amp/

burneruser · 05/11/2022 21:30

The photo of a young boy sitting with a draq queen in a set supposed to be of a drag queen's girly bedroom is on the mermaids website.

I would like to get true verification of the below screenshot:

UK Drag Queen Charged for CSA materials
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ZombieMumEB · 05/11/2022 21:33

@gogohmm
As someone who has worked with Paul O'Grady I find this tarring every drag artist with the same brush pretty offensive, he's a lovely man who made money dressing up in women's clothes.

It's pretty offensive for a man to dress up as a women in order to mock women, to profit from this and to promote sexist regressive stereotypes.

A lovely man simply would not do this.

Happylittlechicken · 05/11/2022 21:35

Awesome. Lovely. Perfectly reasonable clothes to wear whilst reading stories to toddlers. Maybe if we’re going to promote adult entertainers reading to children, we should encourage strippers and lap dancers next? If they want to read stories to children, why not go in in normal clothes instead of womanface? Can you imagine if someone turned up to read in blackface? Or dressed in a Native American costume when they weren’t NA? Why is women face acceptable to read to children but the others aren’t?

YelenaBlackWidow · 05/11/2022 21:37

burneruser · 05/11/2022 21:30

The photo of a young boy sitting with a draq queen in a set supposed to be of a drag queen's girly bedroom is on the mermaids website.

I would like to get true verification of the below screenshot:

That advert doesn't mention drag queens. Yes perhaps you should get verification as you were the one that originally said this paeodophile was in the calendar when they weren't, bringing mermaids into it in the first place weren't you?

picklemewalnuts · 05/11/2022 21:38

It mentions photographing children in their bedrooms? That's enough to raise red flags.

YelenaBlackWidow · 05/11/2022 21:42

Happylittlechicken · 05/11/2022 21:35

Awesome. Lovely. Perfectly reasonable clothes to wear whilst reading stories to toddlers. Maybe if we’re going to promote adult entertainers reading to children, we should encourage strippers and lap dancers next? If they want to read stories to children, why not go in in normal clothes instead of womanface? Can you imagine if someone turned up to read in blackface? Or dressed in a Native American costume when they weren’t NA? Why is women face acceptable to read to children but the others aren’t?

It's a trouser suit and a wig. How is that 'women face'? Men can wear trouser suits and wigs. And please don't start denigrating sex workers on top. There's enough bullshit on this thread, it's been exaggeration and misinformation from start to finish. It's the paedophile that's wrong, is that not bad enough to talk about without dissing people that have nothing to do with it? The paedophile did not to drag queen story time in fact they had no access to children at any point.

YelenaBlackWidow · 05/11/2022 21:44

picklemewalnuts · 05/11/2022 21:38

It mentions photographing children in their bedrooms? That's enough to raise red flags.

I've seen plenty of articles where youngsters tell their story and they're photographed at home in front of a poster or their desk doing homework or whatever. I'm not defending it if it's dodgy, find the picture and I'll judge.

Happylittlechicken · 05/11/2022 21:44

YelenaBlackWidow · 05/11/2022 21:42

It's a trouser suit and a wig. How is that 'women face'? Men can wear trouser suits and wigs. And please don't start denigrating sex workers on top. There's enough bullshit on this thread, it's been exaggeration and misinformation from start to finish. It's the paedophile that's wrong, is that not bad enough to talk about without dissing people that have nothing to do with it? The paedophile did not to drag queen story time in fact they had no access to children at any point.

Um drag is womanface. It’s men dressing up as parodies of women to mock women. Would that be ok if a white person dressed up,in blackface and parodied black people? There is a thread on AIBU where most posters agree dressing up in native costume when you are not that race is wrong, so why is it ok for men to dress up as women and mock women?

YelenaBlackWidow · 05/11/2022 21:47

@Dreamwhisper I agree, there is no link. The focus should be on the paedophile. Incidentally he didn't have access to actual children to take pictures or otherwise, although what he did do was bad enough.

YelenaBlackWidow · 05/11/2022 21:50

@Happylittlechicken you are entitled to believe what you want of course, I'm not saying some drag queens aren't unpleasant in their acts, I'm not keen on them myself it's not my cup of tea, I'm just pointing out the lies and misinformation on this thread. It doesn't really help the cause to bullshit when there's enough truth to complain about.

picklemewalnuts · 05/11/2022 21:53

Ok, Yelena, but I'd imagine that was arranged by looking for teens to interview, then discussing with them where a photo would work. It may be at a hobby, or doing homework so incidentally at their desk in their room.

To call for children specifically to allow a photo and photographer in their room is poor practice. The child's bedroom is the point of that photo.

burneruser · 05/11/2022 21:53

I didn't say the advice mentioned drag queens. It's asking for kids to have photos taken in their rooms.

I was criticising mermaids for call outs for bedroom photo shoots. And separately, the images with a drag queen who looks like a dead girl in a bedroom set on their website.

Reduxx haven't said this man convicted of CSA images was actually in the calendar and I'll admit I misread that part.

So as far as we know he's not specifically in the calendar. But was on the same scene.

The calendar was v inappropriate for such a charity.

I still cannot fathom why people defend male sexual entertainment being linked to children.

There are many borderline boundaries being blurred constantly by all this.

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Happylittlechicken · 05/11/2022 21:54

So you don’t believe drag is womanface? So it’s ok for men to mock women by parodying them, and to convince children this is ok to do? Why? If these men want to read stories to children, surely doing it dressed in everyday clothes with no make up would work just as well? What is the attraction of having a man in womanface reading to children?