Why 'Cis' is unnecessary

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What a stonking explanation by @jeaux90. Perfectly put. I thought it deserved its own thread as its so succinct.

Women don't need a prefix, Cis is like needing a word for someone who doesn't collect stamps.

Assuming that’s how the genderist attempted to explain it, their mistake was in describing “woman” as a gender.

In case any other genderists are reading and want to avoid making the same linguistic error, here is a brief helpful guide: “woman” is a noun describing an adult human female, the way “mare” describes an adult equine female or “vixen” an adult vulpine female. The word pertaining to gender is “feminine”.

Outside the subject of organic chemistry, use of the word “cis” is - to be linguistically precise - completely redundant and irrelevant arsewipery.

Reminds me of Karl Pilkington talking about his dad's pal "Jimmy the Hat"

"Why did they call him that?"
"Because he never wore a hat?"

Oh yes, I agree. A flagrant air of "transwomen can woman better than any woman ever womaned in the history of women."

Cis (as used by TRAs) appears to mean real.

It's actually a massive home goal because transpeople are the opposite of real so if you use Cis you are saying transpeople are fakes.

Why TRAs are so obsessed with pointing out that transpeople are not really what they say they are in this way is a mystery.

Everyone with a brain already knows what transpeople are not, so insisting on pointing it out even when you are talking about regular people who don't believe in gender ideology seems a bit much.

No, it makes no difference what you think transgender means, or even whether you think it's valid. In the context of discussing transgender issues, there are people who are transgender and people who are not. The people who are not are called cisgender. It just means "not transgender." So, if you answer the question "are you transgender?" "No", then you are cisgender. Even if you think that transgender women are not women, they are still transgender.

If you are discussing Jewish people, then "gentile" is perfectly reasonable term.

In the context of discussing transgender issues, there are people who are transgender and people who are not. The people who are not are called cisgender.

Not by me they're not. Because it would be rude.

If you are discussing Jewish people, then "gentile" is perfectly reasonable term.

Your manners need a review.

When you talk about people who are not Jewish, to or in front of people who are not Jewish, you normally use the terms that people who are not Jewish find acceptable. I consider "non-Jewish" or "not Jewish" more polite and those are the terms that I (and other people who understand the benefits of courtesy) would normally use.

It is exactly the same for people who are not transgender. You use the terms that they find polite. Cisgender is not among them.

No. The people who aren't trans are men and women

People who aren't trans are men and women. People who are trans are men and women. HTH

You do realised @RedToothBrush has considerably more experience with trans people than most dont you. Thanks for taking the time to mansplain it so condescendingly to her. I'm sure she'll take it on board.

@DadJoke so it doesn't matter that I, as an Adult Human Female prefer to be called Woman, not Ciswoman, but misgendering someone is literal violins? 😏🎻

The meaning of gender ideological language changes by the day. Didn't cisgender used to mean "a person whose gender identity does not match their sex assigned at birth"? Why was this abandoned? Perhaps it was too easy for women to avoid being labelled as "cis" due to "gender identity" being such a weak concept.

What's interesting though is that many gender ideologues argue that it IS possible to be neither cis or trans. Apparently many non-binary people do not identify as either and that is considered to be acceptable. So the definition that "it just means "not transgender."" isn't quite right is it?

If you are discussing Jewish people, then "gentile" is perfectly reasonable term.

I hear "heretic" is making a comeback too.

The people who are not are called cisgender. It just means "not transgender."

Obviously you are liberty to call people whatever you like using language of your choice in your own conversations, however rude or offensive or unfairly/incorrectly/coercively labelled those people may find it. I am not a control freak with odd desires to control other people's language when I'm not there.

Obviously you will be extending me the same courtesy?

No, people who aren't trans are men and women. People who are trans are trans men and trans woman. HTH

Yes sure. But the terms men and women refer to a biological fact, and every adult human is one or another and cannot change. The terms transmen and transwomen refer to a societal construct which can. They are not equivalent classes of words.

Last time I checked, I wasn't being demanded to call myself a gentile or heretic by jewish or christian groups who were lobbying our government and various institutions and large corporations.

If thype of language is being used by other religious groups, then its internal amongst believers and is not pushed onto others in a coercive way to shame them into believing they have some sort of privilidge over other that they should give up.

As I said before, which is conveniently ignored, the purpose and the point of the word 'cis' is to undermine women and remove power (that they already lack) from them. Its a term to emotionally blackmail with.

When used in the form of 'cis women and women' as it is by a minority it lays bare the intention of its use.

Again, we have these trojan horse comparisons which are utter bollocks being used to piggie back off and suggest a neutrality which the word does not possess.

Once again we have a man telling women what they should be saying and how they should react. They are defining women's identity for them. This is the crucial and singlar point that Dadjoke makes in pretty much EVERY SINGLE post they make and can't get their head around when women say 'no'.

Women say no. Women are allowed to speak for themselves in whatever terms they like without others imposing their values onto them. (Cos we aren't Iran).

2. Women saying no to men is a hate crime.
3. Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.

As I may have said up thread... surely if women are cis women, and trans women are women, then women need to be called cis women in order to be validated as old fashioned cunty women, and when we all start calling trans women "cis", then we can go back to using "women" and the world will be OK again.

Absolute nonsense from top to bottom. I'm tempted to say that even if there were no concerns about vulnerable "trans kids" and women's rights and LGB rights, fighting this ideology would still be an absolute priority. Forced lying and the complete destruction of logic, reason and the meaning of words is just so so wrong without getting even into the real issues.

Women are allowed to speak for themselves in whatever terms they like without others imposing their values onto them.

Absolutely. And if I'm being told that I must permit a believer in this faith to call me terms I disagree with and find offensive, then they must permit me in turn the same courtesy. For example to use words such as man.

Either everyone respects language in this way or no one does. Dadjoke needs to pick one.

So, if you answer the question "are you transgender?" "No", then you are cisgender.

Nope. It just means 'no I'm not transgender'.

Are you a Christian? No.
Are you a pagan? no.
Are you a member of a political party? no.

So many things I'm not that I don't define myself in terms of.

So, if you answer the question "are you transgender?" "No", then you are cisgender.

Reminds me so much of:

"Do you accept Jesus Christ as your saviour? No? Then you are a sinner damned to the fires of hell. What?? It's just a factual label!"

How can anyone be cis gender when they don't believe in gender identities.

What do we call men and women who simply have a sex and not a gender identity.

100%.

Sorry. I thought you were TWAW at me. I see what you meant now.

I have never ever met a single person in my life who can give me a definition of what they mean by "gender" without resorting to stereotypes. Never. The same applies to "cis".

(My username is obviously a more succinct explanation )

Only men need to identify as women.