JK Rowling - beginner's guide

[SpookyPanda]

Hi was wondering if anyone had a link to a beginners guide to the whole jkrowling thing? From either/Both sides. I just need a simple summary really. Someone at work was chatting about it and she was getting into quite some detail but I couldn't follow it.

I am crocheting more blanket for us. So far I have 320 odd motifs, which now need to be put together.

@applesandpears33 I've read it twice - quire powerful I thought.

As I understand it op, it goes something like:

JKR: humans can't change sex, women need single sex spaces for safety, privacy and dignity, trans people deserve love and respect and should not face discrimination

Gender Identity Proponents: JKR hates trans people and literally wants to genocide them

Oh would you like a hand? I’m a dab hand with a needle.

@SpookyPanda I think it is very powerful too. I have a problem with some of the narratives that have been created around trans issues - JKR is a transphobe, JKR wants trans genocide, high rate of suicide if people don't affirm and most marginalised. I think it is very important that people look into these issues rather than blindly 'accepting narratives created by other people.

It's dead simple. One the one hand a very small bunch of extremely vocal and angry tin foil hat nutters think you can change sex if you feel like that. On the other there is everyone else. JKR is in the latter group.

A crochet blanket! How bloody lovely. Actually I'd love to make a quilt for all the brave women involved. A square each. Hm.

Ooh I’d be up for that. And I have lots of wool…..

I can't crochet, but I can glue. 😀

Maybe you misunderstood what I said? You can't ask us to tell you what she said that's transphobic, because we don't think anything like that exists.

It's not that we don't want to answer, it's that we don't think there's any evidence of that nature.

I think most people here are willing to answer all and any questions.

There's also a tweet JKR made that caused much weeping and gnashing of teeth.
"Dress however you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.

Live your best life in peace and security.

But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?

#IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill"
original:
twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1207646162813100033

To be honest it was the unhinged responses to her very reasonable essay that made me see how mad gender ideology had become.

Isn't there a long, and completely, not made up at all, true thread about the downright awful things JKR has done to posters on these very boards, myself included, though it was really my cat....and my sister.

<bites knuckles, remembering the starling>

Yeah, nothing turns people gender critical like transactivism.

Ah no you're right I think I have misunderstood your "we". Apologies!

Genuine thanks to all. This whole thing is exercising my brain a bit!

@SpookyPanda .. did you watch the video - does anyone have a transcript? I would prefer to read than to watch..

What are your thoughts having read and watched?

It's an hour long so I've only watched 15 mins so far! Will put aside some time to watch it over next couple of days.

@SpookyPanda ... I also watched the first 15 minutes and found the inverted commas speaking annoying and the explaining why I should not find the term 'cis' offensive difficult to take so I stopped...

@ChateauMargaux Yes I did find that bit a bit odd. Like if you're angry about how transpeople are being defined I'm not sure you can go around defining other people who are angry about it. It's at least a nice calm discussion at the moment though, which is appreciated as JK's essay was nuanced and like they say I didn't understand what the uproar was so I'm hoping they address it in a similarly nuanced way as all the stuff I've heard about it so far has just been CANCEL JK extreme. I think I want to understand why it is such an extreme response.

I find it interesting they left the comments open as i can't imagine many people feeling free to comment in support of JK as they'll just get insulted rather than a debate

In my experience, the more likely someone screams that JKR is a transphobe the less likely they are to have actually read her words.

I agree the response to JKR has been extreme. I've watched some of the video and there is one thing that struck me - I didn't realise at first that one of the presenters is a trans man. How would folk feel about him being in a ladies toilet?

Fine. Transmen are female so why shouldn’t they use female spaces. Buck Angel however, a transman. Understands this and always uses the mens or third spaces, as he knows he may upset women. That’s female solidarity right there.

This crops up occasionally on here.

“I’ve read and understand your arguments about gender ideology, i now need to read and understand what the arguments against are”

and there’s no real answer.

There’s vocal TRA supporters here (as they say they’re not TRAs and I respect how they identify) who should be posting their replies but they won’t. Or if they do they won’t clarify anything.

There is no missing puzzle piece. It’s a belief, a faith, that requires you to believe anything less that total acceptance is phobic.

Yes essentially not believing the premise that people are who they say they are no matter what (so trans women are women even if they have made no effort to 'transition') means in some peoples eyes you are a hateful bigot. There doesn't seem to be much space for 'I will be polite about it but I don't really believe it myself' which is a position many gender criticals start from (and then we lose the inclination to be polite about it!)