To feel incredibly sorry for Eddie Izzard

[ColdstreamAnnie]

I don't want to pity Eddie but I felt a wave of sadness after reading that Rosie Duffield (MP) said she would rather be arrested than refer to Eddie as a woman.

Ah, that's because you're trying to be logical.

blimey, i don't get accused of that very often. I should frame this.

Thanks, that makes more sense.

So would I in the election itself and I would expect it to take votes away from Izzard in any local election - you don't get the popular vote by rubbishing an area. Celebs on the election ticket can be a double edged sword.

However for the other Labour candidates who are both local and minority, using this in their candidacy leaflets could cause them trouble with the party. They are at a significant disadvantage compared to competing with most parachuting celebs.

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i've learnt a lot of things on FWR over this issue, one of them being the scam bait and switch.

That's what you get with trans ideology. You can be gender fluid, or non-binary, which appears to be completely outside defining yourself by one sex or the other. Almost as though sex doesn't exist.

Until it comes to spaces and rights. Then it switches straight back into rights based on sex, and that women's should be ceded to men.

This.

I find it tragic that we appear to have raised a generation of females who are passionately committed to enabling others and sacrificing their own interests, and have not yet cottoned on about co dependency.

We're failing females massively and this is where it shows the most, these young women are embracing and supporting male supremacism and the lovely emotional rush of nobility and kindness being gullible doormats. Try and get them to care about an equality of consideration for females, the vulnerabilities of women and their access needs, anything in fact but the male supremacist awwww bless men programming, and they look at you like you've grown three heads. It doesn't compute. It's naughty and wrong to care about females. But sex definitely doesn't exist because he looks sad and threatens to hit/rape if I don't say so loudly and a lot.

They have no issue at all knowing who was born to serve and shut up, and who was born to make the rules and threaten and hand out the punishments. No genital checks needed; they know. Not even cosmetic surgery and medication confuses the issue in any way.

And while I have those females, and the excluded and harmed females to worry about, I have zero time or patience left for Izzard et al flouncing around in their Wonderful and Magical World of Me. Izzard knows exactly what Izzard is doing, and Izzards open disrespect for females and enjoyment of this control and dominance play is front and centre, Izzard makes no effort to hide it.

And that I have to conceal pronouns to protect that anti-female behaviour makes me fucking furious . Which does nothing at all in the win hearts and minds and get females to shut up and co operate stakes but helps hugely in the getting pissed off enough to overturn this bullshit for good stakes.

Crack on Ed.

I sometimes wonder at the massive backlash against feminism and feminists in the 80s and ask myself if that is where all this started. Back in the day i spent (unfortunately only) one weekend at Greenham Common with some amazing ladies. One taught me to knit, she was in her 80s then and told stories of when she was a young woman and how excited she was the first time she went to vote, how it was to lose so many men from your generation, then so many sons, brothers, husbands, not too long later. How they took over the dirty jobs so the men could go and fight, for less money and were booted out when they got back, the Aldermasten marches, the summer of love, 1968 and so on.

So many different women from different backgrounds and at different stages of their lives. What a bloody eye opener. And i thought then as i think now, men do absolutely nothing to promote and enhance women's lives unless it benefits them.

The men in power i mean, they don't really care about other men, or minority groups. I learned then to be sceptical about everything men tell me and to look instead for actions. We seem to have been peddling backwards so bloody fast. I wonder what the lady at Greenham (who had never married or had children but still wanted to improve the world for others) would think of us now, where we took their fight for equality and an end to gender stereotypes.

I find it tragic that we appear to have raised a generation of females

is it only me who hates the use of "females" as though we're being talked about by the Ferengi or Incels? we're women.

'We' did not raise those women. The backlash raised those women; a feminist society would have offered them solidarity, class consciousness, critical thinking skills, and assertiveness training.

I hate it too, but I'd rather that than be force teamed with men into one ladybrain "gender".

Sorry, I do agree with you. I just now use that term to avoid any misconceptions in conversation as that word has come to mean anyone of any sex who happens to want it, and I am talking about one sex only and their sex based rights. Not gender, not identity, not colonised terms, not opening the door to 'but how does this affect TW' because female based issues aren't to do with them.

For the same reason I'm now forced to refer to myself as a female homosexual to avoid any confusion although I tend to get the same shocked response as I did in the 80s when I called myself a dyke to own and take the insult out of a term of abuse. Naice girls would now say they were pan or queer.

I am absolutely sick to the back teeth of the blurring and obfuscation of language which this movement has manipulated knowingly and cynically to its own ends.

Woman - adult human female
Female - adjective, pertaining to the sex of those which produce large immobile gametes
Feminine - adjective, pertaining to the qualities considered to be [often stereotypically] those of women.

A man may be feminine in his appearance, dress or mannerisms, but he can never be female or a woman.

(I know we all know this, I just wanted to make the statement because I'm pissed off.)

Does Sheffield need saving? Anymore so than London, Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle or [insert city of your choice]?

Why has he gone for Sheffield? Whatever the reason, all power to the women of Sheffield in fighting this. I stand with you.

Does Sheffield need saving?

unfortunately it does. We said at the time that building Meadowhall would kill the city centre if alternative uses/businesses weren't supported, and it didn't take long for the wheels to come off. It needs a lot of help and guidance (although Kelham Island recently being named as the 35th best place in the world to live - i think - was a bit of a boost)

Sorry, I do agree with you. I just now use that term to avoid any misconceptions in conversation as that word has come to mean anyone of any sex who happens to want it, and I am talking about one sex only and their sex based rights.

thanks. It really does make me think of the Ferengi though "feeeemaales"

I think EI was at uni there, plus the current MP is standing down at the next election.

Ah, OK. Thank you. That might explain why it's been targeted 😚

it's also got a large majority, IIRC (I don't live there now and my family don't live in that ward) which means it's a parachute-target. He also has a tenuous link in that he started uni there but left pretty fast.

Thank you 😍

You really felt a "wave of sadness" and "incredibly sorry" for Eddie Izzard? Well poor you. I shall play my teeniest tiniest violin for Eddie who neither needs nor deserves pity from anyone.

Though goodness knows he gives himself plenty. Quotes like "Eddie Izzard has been waiting 37 years for people to 'calm down' about her gender" don't exactly come across honestly from someone whose schtick is to be as loudly provocative as possible about it.

It's Rosie Duffield and Abtisam Mohamed (and the people of Sheffield) who have something to lose. Not Eddie Izzard.

How is this decided, by a CLP vote?

"Eddie Izzard has been waiting 37 years for people to 'calm down' about her gender" don't exactly come across honestly from someone whose schtick is to be as loudly provocative as possible about it.

Quite. In fact Izzard has made a very successful living out of it.

@ColdstreamAnnie so even you say he doesn’t identify as one gender. Are we supposed to switch which gender pronoun we use for the (non gender specific) dude? Do we go on the lipstick cos I’m going to get mightily pissed off if I get called sir every day as I wear lipstick once in a blue moon. Similarly heels. It is going to be simply impossible to remember the specific rules for each person we meet and if this (non gender specific) dude assumes we’ll remember for him (I’m assuming no lipstick today so I’m not misgendering him) because he’s (still no lipstick) famous then that is arrogant as hell

Can’t you see how monumentally absurd that is?

On this point about gender fluidity, you can already see the absurdity in action with the Guardian. The other day, the Guardian was upset at the 'transphobia' of refusing to call Izzard a woman, and at questioning whether he would be on an all female shortlist. The pronouns 'she' and 'her' were spread on thick, and Eddie was described as 'female identifying'.

But the very next day, there's another article with words from Eddie himself confirming that he doesn't insist on female pronouns, and any pronoun will do, he's not a woman he's in fact gender fluid, and he doesn't believe trans women should be on all female shortlists.

So in one day, the Guardian had egg on its face after scolding people for calling Izzard a man and using male pronouns when in fact....it's entirely consonant with how Eddie identifies. In the rush to affirm Izzard as one of the sacred trans women, the Guardian has in fact misgendered him and gotten his gender identity completely wrong. But I bet it won't apologise to the people it called 'transphobes'.

It shows how mad the whole situation is. The Guardian made an erroneous assumption about Izzard's gender identity and proceeded to tell people off for being bigots...but if someone is gender fluid then surely you can't get their gender wrong!

Gender fluid is like Non binary. Meaningless bullshit. Either the person is lost and needs to find their way out or they are a self regarding wanker. Sometimes both.

Love that 🙂