Just so down today with the vote in Scotland and my female friends just not engaging or caring

[Ndd135632]

That’s it really. I am trying so hard to explain to my female friends what is going on with gender ideology. They either are too busy to care or don’t want to engage. I just don’t get how they don’t see this as a massive gaslight, women losing their rights and children being harmed. I must sound deranged to them because I am so angry about it all. What are the blockers? Why don’t women care about other women - especially those who are disadvantaged who will suffer most with self id.

Solidarity OP. Cl

I’m most certainly your demographic here OP, and my opinion won’t be popular.

It’s because (universal) you come to the conversation het-up, hyperbolic and use phrases like “lady penis”’, “at least our girls are safe”, “handmaidens”, “lazy women”, “brain washed women”, etc etc. It’s way, way too much for where other people are in their thoughts on the subject.

(universal) you immediately turn folk off any engagement on the topic because (I’m sorry) (universal) you come across manic and hysterical about something that those around you don’t view as a risk. (Universal) you don’t spend time introducing the perceived risk, explaining why there may be a risk. (Universal) you launch straight into our daughters being flashed or raped in changing rooms. Going to 100, when someone’s at 0-5 makes them think you’re a bit nuts, is instantly a turn-off and would make me avoid the subject with you all together.

Id be happy to speak to someone about their thoughts, concerns or fears on this subject if I wasn’t immediately greeted to the conversation being patronised, being called names or having rape and child abuse spat at me within the first two sentences as it’s too much too soon.

Yes you’re passionate about it, you feel it’s the number one issue facing women but (universal) you need to allow others the same opportunity of time, or likely more, to process their views on it, you can’t metaphorically drag women kicking and screaming with you.

This happened to me too, I’m so sorry you had to experience that. I was sexually assaulted as a teen. I noticed that it said on the letter that was sent out that it could be either sex doing the scan but I didn’t think for one minute it would be a man. I also feel that if I had asked for a woman I would have maybe been put to the back of the list, however this is what I would do next time. It’s fucking awful.

I’m not in Scotland but am heartily sick of the Fb friends who virtue signal by ad hominem attacks on Tory politicians. No substance, nor policy debate, just ‘evil Tory bigot’ stuff. I saw the same things in the US. I was (absolutely) no fan of Trump but wished the Democrats I knew would encourage some examination of their party’s policies as well.

I got brave, and questioned a post. (I get especially irritated by the imbalance. Female politicians, especially those from ethnic minorities, seem more vulnerable to attack. I suspect Kemi is too straight talking black and white for me, but this does not warrant insulting her on a personal level.) This obviously is a cardinal sin in liberal metro-land. I pointed out that the politician in question was good on womens rights. Apparently the ‘gender issue’ complicated. My response is that the safeguarding of the vulnerable should never be considered too complicated.

I am starting not to care so much. Politics are not football. Blind loyalty does more harm than good. Policies matter. I don’t care about how an individual identifies. I do care about safeguarding and ensuring the vulnerable are protected.

Well said, needmore

It's frustrating because you can see it's creating false narratives.

I have a friend always posting stuff about Trump. I tend to burst her bubble by pointing out that a lot of the stuff she complains about is no different than Obama's policies, or general practice for American presidents. Or that in some cases it's been spectacularly redacted by the press.

She is a nice person and tries to be nice about it, but she can't wrap her head around the reality that there is not this huge gap like she thinks. She's the same with gender stuff, even the worst things like prisons, she can't believe there is anything that bad going on.

@caroleanboneparte yep get it. How about we can never solve the equal pay gap if the stats are skewed my men who became women in their late 40s/early 50s. Or we will never know if we will get 50% women on a board or in Parliament if we can’t define what we mean by woman.

@667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast yep that’s an interesting one. A lot of youngsters who think gender ideology is cool until they get shit scared, or kidney pain or feel weird using a mixed bathroom.

@Ndd135632 my daughter is a feminist and has quite a low opinion of men generally, she’s quite outspoken about it. I’ve not brought the subject up with her for a while as we end up arguing and that’s rare, I’m wondering if she has changed her mind now she’s experienced it first hand.

@PinkyU I hear you and I think that is a very powerful post. I do think that is happening. From the other side of the mountain peak - it is just so frustrating that it is taking so long and laws are being changed but I have massive understanding of what you are saying and that’s a very helpful take. Thank you.

Sending solidarity too. I'm in Edinburgh and so angry and frustrated. But I can say that without exception every single person I've spoken to about it in real life has agreed with me and my husband said that when he was having post football match with his friends last weekend they were talking about it and his friends were in agreement with us.

@JeannieDark thats reassuring to hear. Indeed we need the men to step forwards - get that boy/man out of my daughter’s/wife’s changing room.

If you are in Edinburgh tomorrow, Saturday , Scottish Labour Party have a stall in Raeburn Place , Stockbridge from 11- 1 o’clock. Go and tell them how you feel about Labour’s attitude towards women’s rights, Self ID & safeguarding.

Please use your voices, email, write & speak to all your MSPs & MPs.

Needmoresleep so agree with you. I'm sick of people being attacked for no particular reason. The Tribalism. And the total lack of actual knowledge. A good example is that President Biden was happy when a senator to allow the appointment of Clarance Brown to the Supreme Court because who the hell would listen to a black woman Anita Hill. THERE is a clear line from that action to the ban on abortion in the US>.

They will likely tell you you are a bigot and that they don't therefore want your vote.

Because they are idiots who deserve zero votes from women.

This vote received coverage on the World at One on BBC Radio 4 this lunchtime. They interviewed John Mason, one of the MSPs who'd voted against. Johnny Diamond (interviewer) tried to pull him up, saying that gender dysphoria was a real medical condition, but the MSP said yes it was, it was serious and it should be diagnosed by medical practitioners and transitioning shouldn't happen without.

Thanks 667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast - that means a lot 🌷

Thats fine, if they do, I’ll tell them that they are idiotic, misogynist bawbags.who don’t deserve votes from women. They treat us with contempt, we do the same, just as I will the SNP/Greens.

I’m planning make some bingo cards for the next hearing to see how many times the words “ most marginalized “, “ vulnerable “ , “ discriminatory “ etc etc are tripped out by MSPs.
We had 7 “ most marginalized “ bingos yesterday...