Kemi Badenoch appointed new Minister for Women and Equalities

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And International Trade Secretary. I'd have preferred to see her as Secretary of State for Education in addition to Minister for Women and Equalities, but this is good news.

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Personally I am happy to express myself the way I do - you can do as you choose. I am not standing for office, I do not need to appeal to anyone.

You can disagree with me, but you keep (deliberately or due to lack of understanding) accusing me of calling her a demon or of calling her monstrous.

I have only said her views are monstrous.

The far right of the Tory party would remove womens' rights and options in myriad ways in areas of childcare, education, welfare, services, healthcare, abortion etc.

Apologies. My original post was aimed at many more people who were flinging around all sorts of invective. I still think calling her views monstrous is hyperbolic - her views are not extreme or outlandish or evil or demonic.

Just off the back of the rape comments on this thread, I was having a bit of a Google and found out she did some research about male victims of rape (not to do a “but what about the MEN”) and lobbied to raise funds for a male rape charity. I think that’s quite “left” and “woke” actually - there’s a huge stigma around male victims of rape and it’s massively under reported. Slightly swayed my opinion of her as judging by how the press report her and her abstentions when voting on social issues, she’s one of the last people I’d expect to be lobbying for a cause like this. www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/assembly/kemi-badenoch/male-rape-charity-to-receive-78000 (for anyone who’s interested).

Well, that just seems somewhat vague, I'm afraid. I was hoping you had some specific reason for calling Kemi's views 'monstrous', but so far you're just saying you don't like the far right.

I don't support fracking. But I think those who do tend to believe that energy independence is important enough that it should be allowed.

And they aren't wrong in the sense that not having energy independence has all kinds of very serious repercussions. As we see now.

This is often the right wing response to the kinds of environmental demands that come from progressives - ok, so you want to stop what you think is environmentally destructive, and you want supports for the poor as costs become high. But at the same time you are making demands that we switch to energy sources that will be more expensive, that may reduce productivity. So how are we supposed to pay for everything that you want?

The claim that this is a viewpoint that just is about not caring is really simplistic.

I still think calling her views monstrous is hyperbolic

Some are (in my view) pretty monstrous. Being from a seaside area with a family member who has drowned, I think endangering life at sea is an appalling thing to do. And when Labour proposed an amendment to an immigration bill which would prevent enforcement officers from doing so, Badenoch (and her party) rejected the amendment. To me, that is monstrous.

But it doesn’t relate to her current post. I really can’t find anything monstrous in her equal rights voting record.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2021-12-07c.347.0#g347.2

Simplistic is the name of the game, Mangy. I was REALLY pissed off to see the stuff about windfall taxes being entirely disengenuously framed by Labour.

Why can't politicians at least try to work constructively with each other towards mutually satisfactory goals?

I don't want to hear about purity politics when transactivists were cosying up to genuimely extremist far right politicians like Crispin Blunt. Be honest- the problem with Kemi Badenoch isn't how she votes but that she's not in your pocket.

She is about to abolish teaching assistants in schools. Let's hope your child doesn't have sen

Ok thanks mangley, I'd definitely say there's a lot of overlap. And she's a Tory. That's what they do. But there's been policies like that in labour.

When people say right wing I do think of more extremist stances

How?

I'm a teacher in a send school.

That won't/ can't happen. She's not education Ffs.

Hyperbole.

She is about to abolish teaching assistants in schools.

How will she manage that, when she’s not in charge of DfE?

If you think CRT is bonkers racist ideology, I would suggest that you might not really fully understand it. The New York Times has a pretty good explainer on what it really is.

www.nytimes.com/article/what-is-critical-race-theory.html

That's interesting that she did that.

Sadly can be common among refugees and those claiming asylum. It's a horrific form of torture in some countries.

Do you like the far right of the Tory party then?

I guess if you do, we won't agree so why waste more time discussing?

Those issues are bread and butter issues that affect millions of womens' lives, if they seem vague to you maybe you just need to read a bit more about them.

@Wallaw paywalled.

Perhaps it's been diluted and misinterpreted by the Tavistock but it sounds downright dangerous when described here:

Woman suing the Tavistock and Portman for racism, discrimination against philosophical belief www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4661563-woman-suing-the-tavistock-and-portman-for-racism-discrimination-against-philosophical-belief

Is Martin Luther king "outdated?"

Thank god for someone sane.

I consider her views extreme.

I guess it depends where you yourself are on the spectrum as to whether Badenoch seems extreme.

No. I'm relatively left wing, not a Conservative voter.

You've failed so far to come up with a single specific reason you call Badenoch's politics 'monstrous', I don't even see any evidence of her being what you call 'far right'. She's a Conservative. We know.

I'm quite happy to stop 'discussing' this with you, though, if you haven't actually got anything substantive to add.

Does this work?

www.nytimes.com/article/what-is-critical-race-theory.html?unlocked_article_code=mTP-pACyC3HVE30PzRRWj-5L5-tAt9vfUYPtzAdUST2xNMXrBqgWektxbW72LTzIj5jJROAz4JNu9nh8tW-mHyMGW4X7T8hMO1hkbNbp3KzzLLnK97ZTdGKke_w4MiNk4B9cq4HO5NTVcrRbzYM2f4gr_K4hdLyL54HprHApInoASqllAahnVqXCLb3UCPHkZo_lRmtKxRnZDeqOqtPfKz_e1ZTpgBD3vYUY6im_rb-jG8DEgfMsZMhKl60FRoQiijUVG0cRED86Rg4yFLmtGfwJekONQ3VmFQ4vn12MlgE2PCLUwcX7B5dOGojsAapNm28SAycmENm2V38&smid=share-url

I haven't 'failed to come up with' anything - it is not an exam - I have simply expressed a view that Badenoch's political views are, in my opinion, monstrous and she will be extremely negative for womens' rights in general. If you like her views, that is fine.

But .. you're not saying which of her 'views' you dislike. Just repeating that she's 'far right', without actually explaining how she is or what makes you think that. Is it her work on FGM that you find 'far right'? Or her views on social care? Or would you like to discuss the specifics of the migration debate?

Just repeating 'she's far right' and that her views are 'monstrous' is so vague it's pointless.

Bring some specifics, evidence, links, fresh information or insight.