Kemi Badenoch appointed new Minister for Women and Equalities

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And International Trade Secretary. I'd have preferred to see her as Secretary of State for Education in addition to Minister for Women and Equalities, but this is good news.

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It is gaslighting to be told someone who voted consistently against equality is in fact a beacon of equality.

Asking questions isn’t gaslighting. And the important question is - in what way has Badenoch voted consistently against equality? Votes are public record and the bills / amendments the votes relate to are public record as well. If you can find any, please post them. I’ve certainly posted my own reservations regarding her role in government. But I couldn’t find evidence that she actually voted against equality.

Women on this board expect intellectual rigour, so posters are generally expected to be forthcoming with evidence to support their views. I’ve yet to see any actual evidence (rather than name-calling or conjecture) which supports the premise that Badenoch will be bad at her job as Women and Equality Minister. I don’t agree with all of her views, and would personally prefer a Labour government (because I think that class is the biggest divide in this country). But in the meantime, I can be pleased that Badenoch is the best choice (out of Tory MPs) for this particular role.

Dadjoke please define exactly what a transwoman is, what sex is and what is a man or woman. The legal definitions please.

I'll read your clear and concise answers in the morning.

Where in the GRA and EA2010 does it say that men who want to be women should have access to all women only spaces?

Do you understand that repeating a lie doesn't make it true?

You’re making this up as you go along!

Find one mention of ‘transwoman’
or ‘trans woman’ in UK equalities legislation, just one!

This! And please read the relevant section of the Equality Act - I posted the link for you earlier in this thread.

No, it's to the content. People who point out the issue with it are really objecting to the implications inherent in saying it.

However I think when people like Joe Biden say things like that, there is some way in which they actually miss those implications, even though they should be obvious.

I am coming to a position where I think it's because they have really absorbed this idea that identity groups are more about the identity rather than just a group of varied people with some point in common. It creates a weird short circuit in their thinking.

It's almost exactly the kind of stereotyping that used to be considered problematic, where people apply generalizations about groups (which might or might not be true of the group) to individuals. And then assume that if individuals fall outside of those stereotypes somehow they don't fit into that identity.

It happens to black conservatives a lot, also gay conservatives, women conservatives.

I suppose my position is incredibly simple in that I just cannot see the problem with saying that a long term unemployed former miner simultaneously has white privilege whislt being deeply underprivileged overall due to his income, wealth, where he was born and lives, his health issues from breathing in coal dust etc etc.

I don't think it's actually possible to pick all of these things apart. I don't really think that you can abstract concepts like blackness or whiteness. They exist in terms of how they are experienced by actual individuals.

Members of what might be called the white underclass do not suffer disadvantage separate from their whiteness. Non-white elites, let's go whole hog and say some member of an aristocracy in Africa, are not advantaged seperatly from being black, being black is part of who they are and that is what makes them elites too.

All kinds of people can suffer from ethnic or racial aggression, across class. They can suffer classism and actually that can be against upper class people as well - there can be a very powerful class hatred in that direction.

I'd also just point out that there are black people who don't feel racism has been that significant in their lives, or that their race has advantaged them. John McWhorter has said a few times that black university students are often given advantages in that system, he feels that he was himself. If we wanted to take the language around privilege seriously, shouldn't it capture that?

All this is really to say, it's just a wholly incoherent framework. Models tend to simplify, of course, but make it too simple and all you have is garbage.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/kemi-badenoch-lgbt-trans-rights-b2210909.html

The Independent has documented Badenoch’s lfalsehoods in her first parliamentary comments in the new role, attacking Pink News. Pretty much what you’d expect from her Trumptrash playbook. .

So she’s not allowed to call out a magazine which routinely vilifies women, and has a hate campaign against JKR. Why? Because it’s an LGBT magazine. Would you be this upset If she called out any other newspaper or magazine?

WhyAmIPayingFees Not agreeing with the Prick news makes me appreciate her all the more. And America's actual women are doing really well now under Joe Biden left aren't they?
I have met quite a few left wing misogynists' as well as right wing ones. The only difference between the two is, the left leaning ones still think they are the "good guys and act like they are.

Awww poor Pink News. Such a shame that someone has misrepresented them.

She said that the CEO of PN used Twitter to attack MPs. Not much to disagree with or object to there.

You won’t find many fans of Pink News here.

Maybe Dadjoke has the Stonewall version on his shelf.

It's like those sanitised "children's Bibles" of yore - here's how we wish it looked, kids. We've taken all the difficult bits out for you.

Morning everyone @WhyAmIPayingFees made racist comments about Kempire a few pages back.

@WhyAmIPayingFees why are you coming back to this thread after you’ve been so horribly racist? Why is a racist on these boards?

I’ll just remind everyone what they said, @WhyAmIPayingFees said earlier:
Under most circumstances I'd leap for joy at a young black woman moving into a senior government position, but she is just awful. I think it is a repugnant appointment.

This is racist.

WahineToa WhyAmIPayingFees Simply doesn't like the fact that, that this is high achieving intelligent black women dares to have her own mind and isn't going to be used as a tool to promote people, (who are on the whole had a lot more privileged than Kemi's) self serving agenda's.

Kemi criticising Pink News (who would dismantle women's rights, trans all asking children and have all manner of shit in schools) makes me admire her more.

She may be right wing but she's in a great role for her, she is unapologetically not going to take any crap, let's hope we see some real change and / or at least MSM conversations about all this. Having these conversations publicly might make the difference to Labours stance.

And the lefties? Jez Corbyn wrote an utterly tone deaf tweet re Kemi. It's like the left intentionally don't give a shit about reading evidence like the Cass Report.

Some really interesting discussion in this thread. And some utter derailing nonsense, too, but that’s how you can tell that there are some important issues to discuss

I’ll be watching what Kemi does with interest. She’s a formidable, bright, talented woman, with some views that align with mine, and some that do not. I’ve no interest in demonising her or valorising her either, and I get so despondent about and bored of simplistic “you’re for us, or agin’ us” narratives.

And toilet chat. So very, very bored of disingenuous toilet chat.

I don’t have to agree with everything someone does to be absolutely delighted to see a young, black woman in government.

Shame on the racists who say she’s the “wrong type”. I don’t think Kemi’s the type to be told to “stay in her lane” anyway.

Answered that now, three times. Clearly. And asked you some questions too, also three times, which you've ignored.

So either you're not reading and just here to bore and derail, or you can't understand the answers you're repeatedly and aggressively demanding of women for your own reasons.

Take your entitlement and bore off.

WhyAmIPayingFees · Today 06:40
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/kemi-badenoch-lgbt-trans-rights-b2210909.html

The Independent has documented Badenoch’s lfalsehoods in her first parliamentary comments in the new role, attacking Pink News. Pretty much what you’d expect from her Trumptrash playbook.

It appeared to be the other way round. Pink News had attacked her. She was asked to respond .

I am going to reply very briefly.

I don't think anything on this thread has changed my views fundementally - my opinions are basically the same - I believe that white privilege is a thing and I am comfortable to have it as part of my world view. But I have been convinced that it is a concept that has little practical benefit in bringing up (ie, it's not a concept I should spend much time on or talking about, and if I do then there is little reason to suppose that bringing it up will make the world a better place) and that as a concept it is probably a lot less important than I often assume.

As an aside one example of white privilege. My understanding is that in the USA black people are very often subject to bad treatment compared to white people when being stopped / arrested. And this happens whether the arresting officer is black or white. Now it could be that it is anti-black racism from a proportion of white and black officers, but maybe "white-privilege" is a better way of looking at the benefit of being white when stopped.

Tyson Fury was trying to highlight the issue a year or two back "the last acceptable form of racism in the UK". Not sure how much traction his words got in the media.

It's very difficult to square the idea of "white privilege" with the prejudice and discrimination that exists against Roma and Traveller communities. You could also say the same about Jewish people - they might have better outcomes (I'm not sure if anyone measures them) but they are still subject to shocking anti-Semitism.

So the phrase "white privilege" doesn't do justice to the complexity of life as it is experienced for many people.

Wanting greater black representation is not racist.

Disliking someone's views is not racist, and neither is it racist not to want people with opposing views to your own to have power.

I understand that there can be a racist expectation that people from a certain background should think a certain way... but I am unconvinced that the two points combined automatically make the statement racist.