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Women's Place UK: Filia event: the elephant ignored yet again

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pattihews · 25/10/2022 10:22

I attended the WPUK event at Filia yesterday and came out feeling disturbed by what struck me as a very heavy-handed event designed to avoid talking about the elephant in the room. For what it's worth, I've voted Labour at every election since 1979. I imagine 90% of the audience had a similar track record.

Put briefly, we had 90 minutes of:
Feminism=socialism and if you're not a socialist you can't be a feminist and if you're not a feminist-socialist you're the enemy.
The right is sly and will lie and try to draw you in (illustrated with a video from the US about the right-wing origins of many apparently liberal groups, including the Heritage Foundation) and you must resist any temptation to get involved with them.
The way to do it is to join unions and change them from within, hold socialist women's salons to recruit and inform and get involved at grass roots level.

There were also regular warnings about racism, which seemed odd and extraneous because WPUK is all about gender ideology.

And then the penny dropped. Though her name was never mentioned, I suddenly realised that the whole tightly-managed event (no talking unless you're holding the microphone) was a warning not to fraternise with Posie Parker.

At lunchtime I encountered several other women, all of them furious about what they'd sat through. Furious in particular because of course the elephant in the room was the fact that the Labour Party, to which WPUK is loyal to death, is the biggest threat to women's rights in this country. And they'd used PP to deflect from that.

I'm not a Posie fan. Posie's clear she's not a feminist. She says things that make me cringe. I have doubts about her motivation and we wouldn't be friends in RL. But I went to one of her events when she came to my area and she can mobilise women the left will never reach and for that she's important and valuable. When I go canvassing for Labour I meet working-class as well as middle-class women who vote or have voted Conservative. They include aspirational minority ethnic women. They have their reasons, and some of them I can understand.

A woman I've never seen before and may not see again joined my table for lunch and explained why so many women were feeling really disturbed. These are TRA tactics.
The huge issue that concerns so many of us (should we vote Labour?) was avoided and we were instead lectured on how to be good socialists and feminists.

Was anyone else there? What did you make of it?

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TinselAngel · 31/10/2022 16:12

I love a jammy dodger.

ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 16:12

I am literally reading Garibaldi's wiki and can't work out where he is on the political spectrum. Best stick to Jammie Dodgers.

Helleofabore · 31/10/2022 16:12

WomaninBoots · 31/10/2022 16:10

Fine!

Hobnobs anyone?

Yes please!! Thank you for your generosity!

TinselAngel · 31/10/2022 16:12

TheClogLady · 31/10/2022 16:10

Bourbons are the great leveller.

Vegan AND cheap and cheerful.

I didn't know they were vegan.

TheClogLady · 31/10/2022 16:13

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 31/10/2022 16:08

Seriously? How can you even think of commenting of you don't read the thread?

Mines a rich tea biscuit. The least you can do is bring the damn biscuits to make up for being too lazy to read the damn thread!

How very puritanical!
Barely a biscuit. More of a cracker really.

I agree to the no-garibaldis-definitive-hard-line.

Perhaps we should start a hard hitting leaflet campaign?

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 31/10/2022 16:14

I think I've been knobbled. My app keeps crashing when I try and scroll through this. Can't keep up with things now.

Ok, I concede the far right threat is real. I can't imagine how else my app could possibly be malfunctioning of it's not those pesky fascists. Again.

TheClogLady · 31/10/2022 16:14

TinselAngel · 31/10/2022 16:12

I didn't know they were vegan.

i have the receipts to prove it!

Women's Place UK: Filia event: the elephant ignored yet again
ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 16:15

*Garibaldi was a follower of the Italian nationalist Mazzini and embraced the republican nationalism of the Young Italy movement.[4] He became a supporter of Italian unification under a democratic republican government. However, breaking with Mazzini, he pragmatically allied himself with the monarchist Cavour and Kingdom of Piedmont-Sardinia in the struggle for independence, subordinating his republican ideals to his nationalist ones until Italy was unified. After participating in an uprising in Piedmont, he was sentenced to death, but escaped and sailed to South America, where he spent 14 years in exile, during which he took part in several wars and learnt the art of guerrilla warfare.[5] In 1835 he joined the rebels known as the Ragamuffins (farrapos), in the Ragamuffin War in Brazil, and took up their cause of establishing the Riograndense Republic and later the Catarinense Republic. Garibaldi also became involved in the Uruguayan Civil War, raising an Italian force known as Redshirts, and is still celebrated as an important contributor to Uruguay's reconstitution.

In 1848, Garibaldi returned to Italy and commanded and fought in military campaigns that eventually led to Italian unification*

... so, what about that exactly suggests raisin-based baked goods?

Helleofabore · 31/10/2022 16:16

Talking of which, will the FB "Actual Gender Critical Left" socialist feminists give FILIA a pass for inviting (according to them) those "fools" and right-wing collaborators FPFW to speak at FILIA?

Fuck? Really??

Are you sure that that fb page is run by actual feminists and is not satire? I mean, I had a look and it really seems very extreme!

TinselAngel · 31/10/2022 16:16

ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 16:12

I am literally reading Garibaldi's wiki and can't work out where he is on the political spectrum. Best stick to Jammie Dodgers.

I heard a thing on the radio where they said in the 1800s (or general olden days don't recall) when commercial biscuits were being invented they used to name them after random famous people - hence Garibaldis.

ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 16:16

TinselAngel · 31/10/2022 16:16

I heard a thing on the radio where they said in the 1800s (or general olden days don't recall) when commercial biscuits were being invented they used to name them after random famous people - hence Garibaldis.

Shock
ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 16:17

What I wouldn't give for the job of novel-biscuit-namer.

TinselAngel · 31/10/2022 16:21

Do you have biscuits on your vigil Arabella?

VestofAbsurdity · 31/10/2022 16:22

Blimey, I'm gonna be a while making all these cups of tea and sorting biscuit preferences.

WomaninBoots · 31/10/2022 16:22

Who are Hobnobs named after?

TheClogLady · 31/10/2022 16:23

TinselAngel · 31/10/2022 16:16

I heard a thing on the radio where they said in the 1800s (or general olden days don't recall) when commercial biscuits were being invented they used to name them after random famous people - hence Garibaldis.

Are Garibaldis the only ones named at that period that stuck around til now?

my favourite dog rescue went through a phase of naming incoming hounds after ice lollies - poor old Nobbly Bobbly took ages to get homed.

pattihews · 31/10/2022 16:26

I'm breaking out the dark chocolate and stem ginger cookies for Bosky. Thank you. I had no idea.

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TinselAngel · 31/10/2022 16:26

Are Garibaldis the only ones named at that period that stuck around til now?
Yes that's what they said.

TinselAngel · 31/10/2022 16:27

My Dad used to call them "dead fly biscuits"

ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 16:29

TinselAngel · 31/10/2022 16:21

Do you have biscuits on your vigil Arabella?

DO I EVER

TheClogLady · 31/10/2022 16:32

pattihews · 31/10/2022 16:26

I'm breaking out the dark chocolate and stem ginger cookies for Bosky. Thank you. I had no idea.

Yes.

Eye opening post!

Thanks @Bosky - biscuits of your choice are available in acknowledgement of your research.

Biscuits are also available for any women
cast out in the purity spiral taking place on that FB group.

TinselAngel · 31/10/2022 16:34

I hadn't realised FPFW had been shunned.

Bosky · 31/10/2022 16:35

Jeanhatchet · 31/10/2022 15:13

’Far right’.
What does that even mean now anyway*

It means what it has always meant. It is the dangerous mainly male thugs with many rapists and domestic abusers in their number. That's who it is. isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf

Sounds like the Police. And far left groups.

TheClogLady · 31/10/2022 16:38

… so, what about that exactly suggests raisin-based baked goods?

😆

*Cracking up in the pharmacy queue.

TinselAngel · 31/10/2022 16:44

VestofAbsurdity · 31/10/2022 16:22

Blimey, I'm gonna be a while making all these cups of tea and sorting biscuit preferences.

Well, we're not a monolith.

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