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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Help me out - objection to pronouns

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gendercriticalcomingout · 18/10/2022 18:52

I work somewhere that is very pronoun virtue signalling.

I've got the Yogyakarta principles and the forcing someone to disclose their trans status before they're ready.

But. I want to craft something about data protection and profiling based on sensitive personal data - data concerning health, sex life, sexual orientation and religious or philosophical beliefs ? Also possibly political opinions ?

Can anyone help me out?

Inferring these characteristics is included - and I don't think we have an appropriate policy document that covers this use case?

I don't think it's strong enough to fall under the employment exception under article 9 UKGDPR?

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/10/2022 19:28

here you are OP:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4654479-pronouns-in-emails-a-bit-of-a-light-hearted-response

I think there are a number of threads on here but this is the first one that I could find.

gendercriticalcomingout · 18/10/2022 19:32

Thanks!!

I want to focus on gender critical views protection in the equality act plus the profiling being not allowed under UKGDPR?

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Justme56 · 18/10/2022 20:29

Not sure if it is of any use but the FSU have a post about pronouns (June 16th). I think it covers a little about what you are asking but not all. Maybe something to look at.

gendercriticalcomingout · 18/10/2022 20:31

Thank you 🙏

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StillWeRise · 18/10/2022 22:04

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4653504-pronouns-perspective-from-the-ivory-coast?page=1
OP I think this woman makes an excellent case

gendercriticalcomingout · 18/10/2022 22:08

Thank you

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TheClogLady · 18/10/2022 22:49

Copied and pasted from Helen Pluckrose’s Counterweight website (designed to be international so could be tweaked to be more UK specific, just add gender critical beliefs near the bit about religious beliefs and GDPR near the bit about privacy)

Dear Employer

I am writing to you with a concern regarding a shift in policy here at businessname .

I have recently been informed that there has been a change in company policy[1] which would require all employees to include preferred pronouns whenever they identify themselves. I understand that this change would require employees to list preferred pronouns in email signatures, business cards and to mention them when first being introduced to their colleagues.[2]

I am, of course, committed to equality, diversity, and inclusion and wholly support a person’s right to be called by the gender pronoun of their choosing. I’m also aware that this policy’s goal is to remove the stigma from a trans or non-binary person’s pronoun declaration; however, I believe that making this mandatory for all employees raises other concerns we should consider.

Mandating that all employees make this information public as a condition of employment is an unnecessary invasion of privacy. If a person is worried about being referred to by the wrong pronoun, they may choose to make their preferred pronoun known. But it is important to note that there are many people who, for various reasons, do not wish to declare their pronoun or gender identity.

Some people wish to transition but do not wish to make this information public, some people have never adopted a gender identity and do not wish to, some will be opposed to the idea of gender identity for religious reasons, while still others may simply feel their self-identification is no one else’s business. While a person may choose to list a pronoun if they wish, this can be done without requiring everyone to do so.

To ensure our company remains inclusive for all employees, I believe we must continue to respect the privacy of the workforce while allowing people who wish to present a particular gender identity to do so. The most effective way to do this is to make pronoun declaration and gender identification a voluntary matter. This way, no person is forced to share information they don’t wish to share, and anyone who wishes to declare their gender and state a preferred pronoun may do so.

Thank you for taking the time to consider my perspective on this matter. It would be great to get a meeting in the diary so we can discuss this further.

Sincerely,

Employee

[1] This could read “a proposed change in company policy”.
[2] This would be tailored to each individual policy.

Source: counterweightsupport.com

dunBle · 19/10/2022 06:05

Sex Matters Pronouns At Work Guide

gendercriticalcomingout · 19/10/2022 06:21

Thanks everyone.

I have taken all this on board.

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YouSirNeighMmmm · 19/10/2022 15:02

@TheClogLady "wholly support a person’s right to be called by the gender pronoun of their choosing." I couldn;t sign that letter!

TheClogLady · 19/10/2022 15:04

It’s meant to be a middle ground organisation (hence ‘Counterweight’) rather than a feminist one.

Obvs it’s just a template, so that bit can be deleted if required!

Newcatbrowntail · 19/10/2022 15:08

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/pronouns/
sex matters have released a guide, they are excellent.

YouSirNeighMmmm · 19/10/2022 16:40

TheClogLady · 19/10/2022 15:04

It’s meant to be a middle ground organisation (hence ‘Counterweight’) rather than a feminist one.

Obvs it’s just a template, so that bit can be deleted if required!

I didn't say it was a bad letter! And I'd suggest that getting into a debate as to why there should be zero tolerance of forced speech or gaslighting might not be productive!

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