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Association of Clinical Psychologists statement on Cass Review

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InvisibleDragon · 18/10/2022 10:15

The Association of Clinical Psychologists has released a statement on the Cass Review:
acpuk.org.uk/the-cass-review-and-its-implications-psychologically-informed-considerations-for-the-future/

It's pretty short and to the point:

  • lack of evidence base for affirmative treatment
  • acknowledges detransitioners, homophobia and change in ratio of boys: girls
  • notes diagnostic overashadowing of gender dysphoria Vs autism/trauma
  • wants to see more holistic approach and better evidence base for treatment.
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TwikTwok · 20/10/2022 13:45

💪💪

Amarette · 20/10/2022 14:27

Great news. It will be interesting where this reported and where it is ignored...

InvisibleDragon · 02/11/2022 09:00

And the pushback begins ...
amp.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/02/gender-identity-specialists-accuse-psychology-body-of-contributing-to-fear

Of course, the press response to an official statement by a professional body was crickets, but an open letter on medium warrants a dedicated article in the Guardian.

Open letter here:
medium.com/@genderopenletter/open-letter-to-the-acp-uk-e668378d95f4

ACP leadership comment in the Guardian and comments on the Medium blogpost letter are interesting.

@Amarette called it correctly I think!

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TheClogLady · 02/11/2022 09:09

One of the signatories runs a private service for children.

www.kellypsychology.co.uk/gender

rogdmum · 02/11/2022 09:11

TheClogLady · 02/11/2022 09:09

One of the signatories runs a private service for children.

www.kellypsychology.co.uk/gender

Aidan Kelly pretty much openly admits they don’t know what they are doing

twitter.com/rogdmum/status/1276821640203186176?s=61&t=ckJGUz0k-qk319ok2GIbgw

PriOn1 · 02/11/2022 09:31

“Being ‘affirmative’ is often misrepresented as meaning that a trans identity is encouraged, or treated as a preferred outcome, when an alternative understanding is that this practice is a stance whereby no particular path or identity is privileged over any other.”

I’m not sure that this is true, but even if it is, it is representative of the problem in hand, and the reason behind much criticism.

Of course the aim of all involved should be to work towards the least damaging pathway, which in (?almost) all cases is for the patient to become comfortable in their own skin without any damaging medical or surgical interference.

Pretending that is not a preferable outcome is a huge part of the problem and, it seems, a huge blind spot for all those working at the forefront of this service. Medical transition was previously a treatment of last resort, and if it does persist as a treatment (it may well yet be wholly discredited) it needs to return to that model, unless there is overwhelming evidence in the pipeline that affirmation is actually better in some way, which is looking less and less likely.

How they cannot see the harm they are doing is beyond me. It can only be, I think, that they are either way too close or way too invested. Thank goodness Hillary Cass can stand back a bit and see the bigger picture.

nilsmousehammer · 02/11/2022 17:38

Pretending that is not a preferable outcome is a huge part of the problem and, it seems, a huge blind spot for all those working at the forefront of this service

This.

It is going to have to be acknowledged by society and particularly by government that an ideology that has a fundamental belief that reality is created by choice, preference and emotion, and by pretending unwanted facts and bits of reality don't exist, and then trying to force everyone else to pretend this is the truth too (while screaming at, threatening and trying to silence anyone who will not indulge this) ..... pretty much renders anyone speaking from that ideology as not someone you can engage with or expect to make any sense on anything.

By all means people should have the personal freedom to enact whatever beliefs they like - but it is incompatible with decision making, policy making, safeguarding and any other matters affecting others. It is incapable of impartiality or coping with other people's perspectives, experience or with reality.

All you can do from the outside is shrug and move the conversation on without them. Sad but true.

Imnobody4 · 02/11/2022 19:13

An interesting discussion on GB News between Andrew Doyle , Amy Gallagher the nurse suing Tavistock and Carole Sherwood a clinical psychologist talking about training

It starts at 1.22.19

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