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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Association of Clinical Psychologists statement on Cass Review

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InvisibleDragon · 18/10/2022 10:15

The Association of Clinical Psychologists has released a statement on the Cass Review:
acpuk.org.uk/the-cass-review-and-its-implications-psychologically-informed-considerations-for-the-future/

It's pretty short and to the point:

  • lack of evidence base for affirmative treatment
  • acknowledges detransitioners, homophobia and change in ratio of boys: girls
  • notes diagnostic overashadowing of gender dysphoria Vs autism/trauma
  • wants to see more holistic approach and better evidence base for treatment.
OP posts:
exwhyzed · 18/10/2022 13:01

YetAnotherSpartacus · 18/10/2022 11:41

I do so hope that social workers wake up and smell the coffee next.

This is excellent.

Huge numbers of social workers are gender critical, there's ongoing debate about it in the professional press, particularly given the stance of a pour regulatory body SWE in relation to social workers expressing those views.

I've not yet met a social worker who works with young people with autism who isn't horrified by what's been happening to autistic girls.

FrizzledFrazzle · 18/10/2022 13:17

pattihews

This webinar about risk management of transgender prisoners with convictions for
sexual offences might be relevant for your friend too:
www.psychological-approaches.org/store/p11/Transgender_individuals_with_serious_violent_or_sexual_convictions%3A_tips_for%C2%A0assessment%2C_formulation_and_sentence_planning.%C2%A0.html

nilsmousehammer · 18/10/2022 13:41

What a relief.

Any minute now it seems inevitable we are going to get a Labour government who will be pushed, hard, to abandon all sense and evidence and gallop at full steam towards eradicating women's rights and spaces and embracing full on self ID plus medicalising children without any safeguards.

At this point all this evidence and obvious issues are going to bring into sharp contrast how gung-ho, extremist, intolerant, anti-women and un-child-centred all this is, and that anyone busy embracing it is going to have to own it. And then sell their owning it to an increasingly aware general public without looking absolutely irresponsible and insane.

LizzieSiddal · 18/10/2022 13:49

Gosh what a turnaround and so welcome.

Things really are edging in the right direction aren’t they.

Rainbowshit · 18/10/2022 14:19

This is so heartening to see. We need to keep pushing so that by the time of the next GE Labour will not be able to sneak self id through without being fully aware of the consequences.

DameMaud · 18/10/2022 16:46

I am so appreciative of you posting this OP!
Have recently sent feedback to my professional organisation raising all of these points, and so I have now been able to follow up with this.
It has been so maddening up to this point, I daren't let this raise too much hope for the beginning of a return to sanity, reality, and safeguarding.. I'll let myself feel a little though- for respite!

donquixotedelamancha · 18/10/2022 16:49

there is as yet no reliable way to predict whether transitioning will alleviate any young person’s distress or further contribute to it.

There is a lack of robust, high-quality evidence regarding the safety and effectiveness of using puberty blockers and cross sex hormones to treat gender dysphoria in adolescents[17]. The long-term consequences of such treatment are also unknown

Wow. This is really important stuff. The idiots who insisted for years that feminists were criticising settled Science need to read this.

ArabellaScott · 18/10/2022 16:51
Shock
RealFeminist · 18/10/2022 16:51

AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Benjaminsniddlegrass · 18/10/2022 17:00

@exwhyzed I was just going to post something similar, I'm in children's social work. I am having many covert discussions in work and slowly being able to have more open light touch discussions. I am thinking about how I can bring this into discussions at work. There is a lot of worry about having these conversations more overtly, the current SWE matter may open up conversations if people feel safer to do this without being disciplined.

MalagaNights · 18/10/2022 18:25

This is good to see but I do wonder if this represents the profession widely or if it's a marginal group?
As the BPS are totally affirmation only.
At this point the BPS are a lost cause and there needs to be significant push back within to turn things around which there just hasn't been.

That's why I've been sceptical about the new regional clinics. If the psychology profession and the NHS are captured: then what?

nilsmousehammer · 18/10/2022 18:33

As Benjamin says, up to this point the only people who have felt safe to say anything at all, have been those willing to repeat the orthodoxy.

As people become less frightened to say what they see and believe, it will start to shift. This has been controlled by fear and intimidation, not by there being better convincing points or evidence.

Igmum · 18/10/2022 18:37

At last. Real grown ups discussing this sensibly and proper safeguarding

YetAnotherSpartacus · 18/10/2022 19:22

Huge numbers of social workers are gender critical, there's ongoing debate about it in the professional press

do you have any links? I’d really like to read this.

colouringindoors · 18/10/2022 19:40

Excellent news 😊

exwhyzed · 18/10/2022 19:58

YetAnotherSpartacus · 18/10/2022 19:22

Huge numbers of social workers are gender critical, there's ongoing debate about it in the professional press

do you have any links? I’d really like to read this.

I only have hard copies of stuff that's been in PSW magazine including a letter from Sarah Phillimore and responses to her.

otherwise there's quite a bit on community care such as

www.communitycare.co.uk/2021/08/25/social-work-england-calls-debate-social-media-use-warning-social-worker-for-anti-trans-posts/

www.communitycare.co.uk/2021/01/15/judgment-puberty-blockers-case-obscure-benefits-transition-children/

and

www.communitycare.co.uk/2021/09/14/nhs-trust-ordered-pay-social-worker-20000-whistleblowing-gender-identity-service/

there are loads more but that's just some examples - you need to look at the comments also.

WarriorN · 18/10/2022 20:38

This is excellent news!

WarriorN · 18/10/2022 20:57

Also, I am burying it in this thread a little to stay anonymous, but I have nearly just weapt for joy at the school's transgender guidance that has just been emailed round my school, from the LA.

From the LA?! That's amazing! I'm so pleased!

Charley50 · 18/10/2022 21:13

Great news! I only wish the social and schools contagion aspect of it all was highlighted. I am hoping that this is a craze that we can soon see the back of, rather than an ongoing situation with 1000s of girls (and also boys) needing psychological treatment.

WomenShouldWinWomensSports · 20/10/2022 12:22

This is fantastic I hadn’t seen this. I hope at some point in the near future we can have a list or new membership organisation and governing body of gender critical therapists for those of us who need therapy and who are gender critical.

CharlieParley · 20/10/2022 13:11

News from Spain - experts warn against proposed Spanish self-id law from age of 12.

genderclinicnews.substack.com/p/the-experts-revolt?publication_id=627677

CharlieParley · 20/10/2022 13:16

In interviews with El Mundo, the directors of Spain’s Society of Psychiatry, Association of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, and Society of Endocrinology have gone public with their fears and objections to the Trans Law.

They join the renowned psychiatrist Dr Celso Arango and the College of Physicians of Madrid in an unprecedented call for prudence and science to take over from the haste and ideology of the draft law.

The medical society directors all see a link between the bill for self-declared sex change and mistaken trans identity claims, neglect of underlying disorders, needless medicalisation and treatment regret.

In an editorial, El Mundo said the bill’s proposal to enable legal sex change for minors without any mental health oversight was at odds with the right of young people to comprehensive health care.

“It is incomprehensible that the Trans Law should go ahead without the government deigning to listen to doctors and psychiatrists,” the newspaper said. “The hijacking of a key public discussion, with the excuse of transphobia, is unacceptable.”

HeadAboveHeadBelow · 20/10/2022 13:23

rabbitwoman · 18/10/2022 12:10

Also, I am burying it in this thread a little to stay anonymous, but I have nearly just weapt for joy at the school's transgender guidance that has just been emailed round my school, from the LA.

With Sex Matters in the acknowledgements, with safe schools alliance, sex matters AND transgender trend listed under other resources, you can imagine it protected girls safe spaces, stated the difference between gender reassignment and gender identity (GI not a protected characteristic), said no one should be compelled to use preferred pronouns, we should not be teaching 'trans women are women as fact'.....

Stonewall is referenced under other resources, but no mention of mermaids anywhere.

I feel like crying.....

Which LA is it, out of interest?

glitterfarts · 20/10/2022 13:39

Which LA. Praying its mine.

FurryDandelionSeekingMissile · 20/10/2022 13:41

MalagaNights · 18/10/2022 18:25

This is good to see but I do wonder if this represents the profession widely or if it's a marginal group?
As the BPS are totally affirmation only.
At this point the BPS are a lost cause and there needs to be significant push back within to turn things around which there just hasn't been.

That's why I've been sceptical about the new regional clinics. If the psychology profession and the NHS are captured: then what?

I don't know a lot about the whole situation, but there's been disgruntlement among some of the membership of the British Psychological Society, about its structures, leadership and policy for a long time, and more recently some of that has been focused around the debate on whether to push for psychologists to be able to prescribe (and particularly, to prescribe drugs and hormones used for transition).

ACP-UK is, I believe, a very new organisation set up by some of those dissatisfied with the BPS, and therefore it doesn't surprise me that it takes this position.

What bothers me is that their website is lovely and glossy but doesn't really seem to mention the history behind ACP's emergence, doesn't make it clear how new it is or why it was set up, and doesn't seem very clear about how many members it has.

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