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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Social Worker Tribunal

157 replies

Manderleyagain · 17/10/2022 10:23

Tribunaltweets are reporting from a social worker's fitness to practice tribunal. They are not naming the social worker - just initials RM. I believe the case has been discussed here before but as they are not naming I won't find old threads.

mobile.twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1581922786204753920L

Social Work England found against her for criticising mermaids and putting other gender critical posts on her Facebook. There were no complaints about her actual work. She is now having a fitness to practice hearing but SWE, a few days before the hearing, decided not to defend their decisions. It sounds like they are applying to withdraw allegations.
SWE's barrister is Robin White.

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TheBiologyStupid · 17/10/2022 19:57

Do we have access to the earlier documents, such as RM's statement of case, that Sarah Phillimore referred to in the new submission but said that she wouldn't rehash?

exwhyzed · 17/10/2022 20:02

I'm a social worker who has posted GC stuff on Facebook before I realised the enormity of the risk I was taking. It could be me at that tribunal instead of RM but it isn't and I absolutely stand by her.

in SWE defence though they were a very very new organisation when this complaint was made to them and they inherited a massive backlog of cases from the HCPC. I'd like to hope that them withdrawing their defence is them trying to do the right thing.

Using RMW as barrister suggests they are a bit clueless as to the politics and optics of it all, I can imagine some SWE case manager googling 'trans issues specialist barrister' and thinking they had come up trumps.

Igmum · 17/10/2022 21:45

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FriendofJoanne · 18/10/2022 00:48

exwhyzed · 17/10/2022 20:02

I'm a social worker who has posted GC stuff on Facebook before I realised the enormity of the risk I was taking. It could be me at that tribunal instead of RM but it isn't and I absolutely stand by her.

in SWE defence though they were a very very new organisation when this complaint was made to them and they inherited a massive backlog of cases from the HCPC. I'd like to hope that them withdrawing their defence is them trying to do the right thing.

Using RMW as barrister suggests they are a bit clueless as to the politics and optics of it all, I can imagine some SWE case manager googling 'trans issues specialist barrister' and thinking they had come up trumps.

Having read the submissions on EBSWA I fear that SWE have been well and truly captured by Stonewall or another Trans-activist lobby group. They may have been a new organisation, but that does not excuse them for neglecting to use analytical and critical thinking. I just finished my MA in Social Work (last year) and use of critical thinking and triangulation of information from various sources were taught as being key skills.

I very much doubt SWE were employing these when they wrote this (from RM submissions)

  1. Note for example para 69 of the SWE statement of case of 6th July 2022 which asserts … those who hold or espouse gender critical beliefs, generally speaking, are unlikely to accept that transgender people who have socially and/or medically transitioned from one sex to another, are as matter of fact, biology and reality members of their chosen sex* *(emphasis added)

I was too worried about my future career to post anything until the MF result, now I post cautiously on FB (I don't use twitter) but I'm like that anyway - always considering how what I post will come across.

Blister · 18/10/2022 07:54

SWE investigates families and appoints experts to analyse complex situations.

They are showing an inability to conduct independent investigations and choose experts with strong foundations, in this case, the law of the land, not the law as we want it to be.

Can they be trusted to safe guard vulnerable individuals?

DoubleMs · 18/10/2022 08:16

The review panel seem to have ignored the facts and chosen to accept the SWE submission that there were new facts the original panel were somehow not aware of. Because they assumed. However it is clear that the original decision was based entirely on accepting the complaints of a single social work colleague that any challenge to TWAW and TMAM is beyond the pale. SWE have yet to agree that it is legitimate for social workers to question and to know the difference between men and women.

exwhyzed · 18/10/2022 09:05

Blister · 18/10/2022 07:54

SWE investigates families and appoints experts to analyse complex situations.

They are showing an inability to conduct independent investigations and choose experts with strong foundations, in this case, the law of the land, not the law as we want it to be.

Can they be trusted to safe guard vulnerable individuals?

SWE just regulates social workers. It has no role working directly with the public.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 18/10/2022 09:48

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I read the review yesterday and I admit it...I laughed. 😂

It was looking at scathing in the rear view mirror. And I could hear Naomi Cunningham's beautiful voice reading it to me.

FartOutLoudDay · 18/10/2022 10:39

SWE was the first public sector org I came across where staff had pronouns in bios, a few years ago now.

Signalbox · 18/10/2022 11:24

exwhyzed · 18/10/2022 09:05

SWE just regulates social workers. It has no role working directly with the public.

SWE just regulates social workers. It has no role working directly with the public.

One of the most important roles of any healthcare / social care regulator is to protect the public. This includes SWE. A regulator that has been captured by ideology will not be able to effectively carry out this role.

"Our role and legislation"

"Social Work England is a specialist body taking a new approach to regulating social workers in their vital roles. We believe in the power of collaboration and share a common goal with those we regulate—to protect the public, enable positive change and ultimately improve people’s lives. "

www.socialworkengland.org.uk/about/our-role-and-legislation/​

Signalbox · 18/10/2022 11:27

But they would not be involved in "investigating families"

VestofAbsurdity · 18/10/2022 11:48

The official warning followed a complaint by a single person that posts by the social worker on her private Facebook page were ‘offensive’ and ‘disgusting’ because they criticised the concept of gender identity. SWE’s decision followed receipt of submissions on the case.

A single, solitary person.

And this single solitary person who, remarkably, was not and is not subject to any form of disciplinary procedures or actions against them despite:

The motivations of the complainant

57. The case examiners have offered no consideration whatsoever of the motivations and actions of the complainant, allowing the risk of a ‘heckler’s veto’ to operate and thus a disproportionate breach of RM’s Article 10 rights.

58. The case examiners raise the following concerns about RM’s publications:
Case examiners are of the opinion that not only those from the transgender community, but others, would have concerns about the social worker’s ability to act in an anti-oppressive manner which values the diverse lived experience of others.

59. If this is held to apply to RM, then it must apply with equal force to the public pronouncements of the complainant who frequently uses his public Twitter account to make or endorse comments which are accusatory and rude towards others who do not share his views. It is submitted there is a risk this would lead members of the public to believe that he would not be fair or polite to service users who disagreed with him.

60. The case examiners repeatedly refer to the complainant as a ‘member of the public’. However, even a cursory examination of his public Twitter account would demonstrate that he was not complaining simply as a disinterested‘ member of the public’ but as a registered social worker with an explicitly public stated interest in promoting and asserting the primacy of gender identity over the material reality of sex.

61. RM is criticised for her lack of ‘balance’ in her posts; there is no attempt by the complainant to ‘balance’ his support for gender ideology against any recognition that others may have different views. This goes entirely unremarked by the case examiners.

62. The suggestion of the case examiners that RM should have ‘engaged’ with the complainant is naïve and inappropriate given his views and the way he expresses them and underscores that they have failed to give any proper consideration to the complainant’s own obvious bias and prejudice towards RM’s protected belief. This risks a perception that the case examiners endorse discrimination against someone with a protected belief.

63. RM accepts that the complainant has a right to express his views as an identifiable social worker, provided that his publications do not cross the threshold of serious offence. However, she poses the question why XX’s continuing behaviour is of apparently no interest to his regulator, given its public and offensive nature, while hers has been subject to intense scrutiny and public criticism.

64. It is submitted that there is a clear risk here of bias and discrimination on the part of the case examiners towards those with ‘gender critical views’. The question then inevitably follows; to what extent have SWE provided its case examiners with accurate and fair advice about the law in this area?

One rule for one and one rule for another, eh? Even more Interesting is that the rules appear to apply differently regarding the sex of each individual, isn't it?

ChlorineChris · 18/10/2022 12:34

@FriendofJoanne

"Note for example para 69 of the SWE statement of case of 6th July 2022 which asserts … those who hold or espouse gender critical beliefs, generally speaking, are unlikely to accept that transgender people who have socially and/or medically transitioned from one sex to another, are as matter of fact, biology and reality members of their chosen sex (emphasis added)"

That makes the vast majority of the general public in the club I would imagine!

TheBiologyStupid · 18/10/2022 15:34

Ameanstreakamilewide · 18/10/2022 09:48

I read the review yesterday and I admit it...I laughed. 😂

It was looking at scathing in the rear view mirror. And I could hear Naomi Cunningham's beautiful voice reading it to me.

Can't imagine WTF I said that got deleted?!

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 18/10/2022 17:17

TheBiologyStupid · 18/10/2022 15:34

Can't imagine WTF I said that got deleted?!

used the correct pronouns for the author of the book

I clocked it and knew that post would go

a person who spends their spare time reading a chat site that undoubtedly makes them angry and unhappy must be a very unhappy person....that's all I've got to say about that

TheBiologyStupid · 18/10/2022 17:25

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 18/10/2022 17:17

used the correct pronouns for the author of the book

I clocked it and knew that post would go

a person who spends their spare time reading a chat site that undoubtedly makes them angry and unhappy must be a very unhappy person....that's all I've got to say about that

Oops, my bad. Tribunal Tweets were abbreviating the initials as RW rather than RMW so maybe I made a subconscious error - I'm blaming Eddie Izzard and his/her/their/dunno boy mode/girl mode switches.

JanieAllen · 18/10/2022 17:38

Just had an update on the allotment in this case and despite the good news she still needs more veg. Message me if you need directing towards allottment.

RobinMoiraWhite · 18/10/2022 17:40

Evenin’ all.

I see that I have been variously described by folk (who have never met me) as ‘furious’, ‘angry’, ‘unhappy’ and even ‘incompetent’. The basis for any of these statements is mystifying. It couldn’t be pure anti-trans prejudice, could it?

I think I am legitimately able to describe such contributions as ‘nasty’. That was certainly the word used to describe them by some professional colleagues (from outside the particular sub-set of practice) that I shared this thread with this afternoon.

Please do continue using your valuable right to free speech to show how ‘nasty’ some gender critical individuals feel they can be towards a trans professional just doing their job. I use them to illustrate talks on the subject.

’Bye for now, see you on the next case, or in December on this one.

Robin

RoseslnTheHospital · 18/10/2022 17:44

JanieAllen · 18/10/2022 17:38

Just had an update on the allotment in this case and despite the good news she still needs more veg. Message me if you need directing towards allottment.

Thanks for the heads up.

TheBiologyStupid · 18/10/2022 18:00

RoseslnTheHospital · 18/10/2022 17:44

Thanks for the heads up.

Just did a little more digging.

Datun · 18/10/2022 18:04

ChlorineChris · 18/10/2022 12:34

@FriendofJoanne

"Note for example para 69 of the SWE statement of case of 6th July 2022 which asserts … those who hold or espouse gender critical beliefs, generally speaking, are unlikely to accept that transgender people who have socially and/or medically transitioned from one sex to another, are as matter of fact, biology and reality members of their chosen sex (emphasis added)"

That makes the vast majority of the general public in the club I would imagine!

Quite extraordinary.

... a matter of fact, biology and reality.

It's absolutely insane.

Chrysanthemum5 · 18/10/2022 18:29

RobinMoiraWhite · 18/10/2022 17:40

Evenin’ all.

I see that I have been variously described by folk (who have never met me) as ‘furious’, ‘angry’, ‘unhappy’ and even ‘incompetent’. The basis for any of these statements is mystifying. It couldn’t be pure anti-trans prejudice, could it?

I think I am legitimately able to describe such contributions as ‘nasty’. That was certainly the word used to describe them by some professional colleagues (from outside the particular sub-set of practice) that I shared this thread with this afternoon.

Please do continue using your valuable right to free speech to show how ‘nasty’ some gender critical individuals feel they can be towards a trans professional just doing their job. I use them to illustrate talks on the subject.

’Bye for now, see you on the next case, or in December on this one.

Robin

To be honest Robin I think of you as not great at your job because I've seen you in action - however please do assume it's anti trans views if that makes you feel better

Abei · 18/10/2022 18:39

I see that I have been variously described by folk (who have never met me) as ‘furious’, ‘angry’, ‘unhappy’ and even ‘incompetent’. The basis for any of these statements is mystifying. It couldn’t be pure anti-trans prejudice, could it?

You do seem to demonstrate a level of professionalism incompetence I'm sorry to say. I base this judgement on how you conduct yourself on twitter, who you speak to and how, with particular regard to past legal proceedings. This has nothing to do with your trans identity and everything to do with how you behave as a professional.

TheBiologyStupid · 18/10/2022 18:50

Christmas is coming early this year...!

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