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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

At last - the Gladd Charter is being looked at

30 replies

Birdsweepsin · 16/10/2022 08:02

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11319885/Trainee-doctors-told-not-quiz-patients-transgender-status.html

Bonkers bit of the Liturgy that insists doctors must affirm first and foremost

Glinner had it pegged a while ago

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/32-medical-schools-in-the-uk-have

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Shakenotslurred · 16/10/2022 08:05

So if a transman turned up in obvious Labour but said they were male, would pregnancy not be considered?

Birdsweepsin · 16/10/2022 08:10

Your phrase 'in obvious labour' is totally transphobic. To the gulag with you!

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Shakenotslurred · 16/10/2022 08:12

Oh noo. Forgot. Sorry. Meant to say if a transwoman turned up with a distended stomach and pain, would they prescribe ibuleve or a c section?

Birdsweepsin · 16/10/2022 08:14

Gladd’s trans rep is Dr Katie McDowell, a trustee of charity Mermaids

Hands up if that sentence took you totally by surprise

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Shakenotslurred · 16/10/2022 08:16

Amazingly that did not cause me any surprise. It’s almost like the links are a given at this point….

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 16/10/2022 08:35

If a TW presents at hospital with trouble urinating and blood in their urine, should the doctor just ignore that prostate cancer is a risk and continue the pretence or tell them that they need a prostate check?

If a TM presents with a broken bone should the dr just do the X-ray, put on a cast and move on or investigate whether oestrogen blockers and testosterone have led to low bone density?

If a TM presents with severe pain and a high temperature should the Dr ask questions about hormones and periods to rule out (or in) sepsis as a result of uterine atrophy, or just pretend it's appendicitis?

Of all the professions in the world that shouldn't be simply affirming and playing along, Drs are pretty high up on the list of people who need to confront reality.

BabiesEverywhere · 16/10/2022 08:39

Shakenotslurred · 16/10/2022 08:05

So if a transman turned up in obvious Labour but said they were male, would pregnancy not be considered?

This has already happened. The trans man passed as male, so pregnancy was not considered by the A&E staff in a timely manner. The baby died.😥

This is why accurate medical history is so important.

Shakenotslurred · 16/10/2022 08:47

Oh my life I did not know that! I was putting it as a random scenario. That is awful.

FrancescaContini · 16/10/2022 08:53

Extraordinary that trained medical professionals have been participating in this (dangerous) farce. I thought that only the very brightest were accepted to study medicine. Are they taught to abandon critical thinking and independent thought?

Hoardasurass · 16/10/2022 09:22

Didn't that particular trustee make some spectacularly daft assertions about gender in another dm article.
Off to look

Whatwouldscullydo · 16/10/2022 09:26

I believe the main reason behind this medical care issue is because the only outcome here is that something will go very wrong. And those incidents are whats needed to keep the victim hood status going.

In fact its all the fault of sw etc akd any trans person who changes their sex marker at the drs/hospital should be seen as someone deliberately trying to hurt themselves.

But thats too logical I guess.

Hoardasurass · 16/10/2022 09:28

Found it 😀

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11293125/Biological-sex-just-concept-says-trustee-trans-charity-Mermaids.html

It would seem that the dm is really getting into this and are slowly following all the trails of mermaids and everywhere it's gone 🥳

FrancescaContini · 16/10/2022 09:33

@Whatwouldscullydo Yes - it perpetuates their special status as victims. Good point.

SallyLockheart · 16/10/2022 09:39

Hoardasurass · 16/10/2022 09:28

Found it 😀

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11293125/Biological-sex-just-concept-says-trustee-trans-charity-Mermaids.html

It would seem that the dm is really getting into this and are slowly following all the trails of mermaids and everywhere it's gone 🥳

Yes, all credit to the DM for relentlessly pursuing this - there is a drip drip story very day it seems

SallyLockheart · 16/10/2022 09:40

Every day !

FrancescaContini · 16/10/2022 09:41

Hoardasurass · 16/10/2022 09:28

Found it 😀

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11293125/Biological-sex-just-concept-says-trustee-trans-charity-Mermaids.html

It would seem that the dm is really getting into this and are slowly following all the trails of mermaids and everywhere it's gone 🥳

Oh dear. Katie - those years of expensive medical training were totally wasted on you. And you should be nowhere near children 🤮

AlisonDonut · 16/10/2022 09:57

It blows my mind that the NHS have spectacularly fallen for this.

At the minimum it should always have recorded sex AND gender but no, some woke in the HR dept forced everyone to comply and pretend that trans women are women.

They could easily have just added 'trans woman' and 'trans man' to the drop down lists and kept sex seperate.

I'd have thought that the wokes in HR would have seen that trans man who lost their baby because they were treated as a man with stomach pain rather than a woman in labour would have woken them up to the dangers to their own community but no, not an issue.

JacquelinePot · 16/10/2022 10:21

But Alison, in Genderland, the patient isn't in the wrong for hiding their sex, it's the non-believers who keep on insisting that only women have babies.

If we all stopped being so sensible transphobic and just pretended accepted men can have babies, too, we'd be asking ALL patients if there's a chance they could be pregnant which would remove the problem.

Whatwouldscullydo · 16/10/2022 10:22

AlisonDonut · 16/10/2022 09:57

It blows my mind that the NHS have spectacularly fallen for this.

At the minimum it should always have recorded sex AND gender but no, some woke in the HR dept forced everyone to comply and pretend that trans women are women.

They could easily have just added 'trans woman' and 'trans man' to the drop down lists and kept sex seperate.

I'd have thought that the wokes in HR would have seen that trans man who lost their baby because they were treated as a man with stomach pain rather than a woman in labour would have woken them up to the dangers to their own community but no, not an issue.

It doesn't blow my mind. I think they saw an opportunity to appear to be getting something "right". That and the benefits it brings.

Like not having to get chaperones for intimite exam

Not having to worry about mixing wards.

The ability to treat women like shit including in pregnancy and birth and offload some of the poor outcomes to the mens stats. Keep their womens stats just the right side of " acceptable"

Etc

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 16/10/2022 13:05

I can't figure out what GLADD does - it's to support LGBT medics? And has moved into the realm of advising about inclusion in the fields instead of just the workplace?

BuryingAcorns · 16/10/2022 13:55

BabiesEverywhere · 16/10/2022 08:39

This has already happened. The trans man passed as male, so pregnancy was not considered by the A&E staff in a timely manner. The baby died.😥

This is why accurate medical history is so important.

Do you have a source for this?

BabiesEverywhere · 16/10/2022 14:18

BuryingAcorns · 16/10/2022 13:55

Do you have a source for this?

Pregnant Transman Article
Isn't that heartbreaking. 😥

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/10/2022 14:26

The transman story is indeed heartbreaking, but it shows what happens when language is not crystal clear. The patient was recorded as male and described as a transman. In spite of the patient mentioning a positive pregnancy test, staff were confused and didn't grasp for hours that they were dealing with a pregnant female patient, not an obese male patient. At least, that's how I read all of that. Very easy to see how this could happen in a busy emergency department.

An additional complication might be that this is a US story and the patient was uninsured, so being seen as an emergency under Medicare or whatever it's called. I wonder if this means they were particularly busy and rushed. Someone who understands the US healthcare system can correct that if it's wrong.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 20/10/2022 20:43

This is going to be relevant to GLADD

hospital denies woman treatment because of her politics and previous trauma

RebeccaTwitter · 02/01/2023 20:24

Glad to see you discussing this! Sex-based rights need to be kept in the NHS.

Graham Linehan posted about the charter after I let him know.

I have also written an overview of my concerns re the charter here:
rebeccastwitter.substack.com/p/a-gender-critical-analysis-of-the