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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JKR being magnificent on twitter again

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SirSamVimesCityWatch · 14/10/2022 08:21

mobile.twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1580639051774054404?cxt=HHwWiMDS8fm1x-8rAAAA

Just thought I'd pop this here for anyone who doesn't browse twitter regularly. I don't myself but found it via a FB group that supports JKR.

I bloody love this woman. Plus I have bought an insane amount of HP merch over the last few years in support of her, as well as the Strike books and all the new editions of HP that pop up, so I am happy to think of those royalty cheques having some of my pennies in!

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Morph22010 · 15/10/2022 06:50

Norma27 · 14/10/2022 09:44

I was thinking earlier of somebody on a thread recently saying everybody under 30 hated JKR and Harry Potter
My youngest is at primary school and was telling me today about all the children arguing about who is the biggest HP fan.
I am an old parent there, but most of them are under 30 raising a new generation of HP fans!

Agree my son is a huge Harry Potter fan, try and book the Harry Potter studios for anytime over Christmas been sold out for months

ReeseWitherfork · 15/10/2022 06:50

nobodygirle · 15/10/2022 06:45

Those of you defending JKs stance on trans because its a 'women's issue' (ot because you like Harry Potter) do realise that vast majority of men who want to abuse women and children don't feel the need to transition in order to do so? No, they just do it. Its not trans women who are the issue here.

Remind me, what’s JKR’s “stance on trans”?

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 15/10/2022 07:03

Igneococcus · 15/10/2022 06:49

How are you telling predatory men entering female spaces apart from transwomen @nobodygirle ?

Ohh maybe they have a sign that none of us have seen? Please Can you clarify how you do it @nobodygirle , it's very impressive that you can tell the difference

FernPotts · 15/10/2022 07:04

I think her ‘stance’ on transwomen is that they are men who transition (as indeed NobodysGirl puts it).

Therefore they are as misplaced as other men in female-only facilities, and raise the same instinctive alarm in some (maybe many) women.

User6677 · 15/10/2022 07:33

FernPotts · 15/10/2022 07:04

I think her ‘stance’ on transwomen is that they are men who transition (as indeed NobodysGirl puts it).

Therefore they are as misplaced as other men in female-only facilities, and raise the same instinctive alarm in some (maybe many) women.

I think @nobodygirle has got a bit confused tbh. I assume she’s talking about the bathroom/changing room issue?

What JKR actually said on that issue:

I believe the majority of trans-identified people not only pose zero threat to others, but are vulnerable for all the reasons I’ve outlined. Trans people need and deserve protection. Like women, they’re most likely to be killed by sexual partners. Trans women who work in the sex industry, particularly trans women of colour, are at particular risk. Like every other domestic abuse and sexual assault survivor I know, I feel nothing but empathy and solidarity with trans women who’ve been abused by men.
**
So I want trans women to be safe. At the same time, I do not want to make natal girls and women less safe. When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman – and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones – then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside. That is the simple truth.

So the “that vast majority of men who want to abuse women and children don't feel the need to transition in order to do so?” comment doesn’t make much sense. JKR specifically makes the point that men don’t need to go through any sort of transition to be classed as a “woman”. I think @nobodygirle desperately needs to reread it and come back if she has questions. And I will pose this question to her: if a man enters a woman’s space with the specific aim of abusing women, and is legally able to claim he is a woman with no transition whatsoever whether it’s extensive medial intervention or simply popping a dress on, what is stopping him?

EdithStourton · 15/10/2022 08:01

ApocalipstickNow · 14/10/2022 11:56

I work in primary- Potter is still huge.

Kids love it.

Likewise.

By Y5 just about every child who is capable of reading them has read at least one. Some are working through the series.

MishyJDI · 15/10/2022 08:07

I'm far from clear JK and her friends are supportive of womens rights. There is some very odd funding and association to right wing groups that would work against us - right to choose, right to be LGB just for starters.

I get some peeps have the view that anyone supportive, you dont care about their other politics, as long as they are gender critical.

But when those people are also working against you....one has to think a little on why they are being supportive.

Interesting perspective here for those who can stomach a contrarian view:

334bu · 15/10/2022 08:18

There are some very dubious people supporting transwomen being given access to female only spaces, starting with Girdon Pike member of committee who created the policy which allowed male prisoners to be transferred to Scotland's female prisoners, now serving time for possession of images of child rape. Shall we continue?

334bu · 15/10/2022 08:18

Gordon

FernPotts · 15/10/2022 08:18

I’m always puzzled by that argument, Mishi.

Men are women because… right wing groups say that they aren’t? So in order not to be right wing extremists, people should believe men to be women?

Men are women because… gay people and black people suffer prejudice?

That’s not logical.

noraclavicle · 15/10/2022 08:57

FernPotts · 15/10/2022 08:18

I’m always puzzled by that argument, Mishi.

Men are women because… right wing groups say that they aren’t? So in order not to be right wing extremists, people should believe men to be women?

Men are women because… gay people and black people suffer prejudice?

That’s not logical.

Don’t ever look to that poster for logic, FernPotts!

Needmoresleep · 15/10/2022 09:30

“Only people with lived experience”

Women prisoners…yes I hear their voices loud and clear🙄

Parents are normally expert in their own children. Medical students are told very early that you ignore a mother’s instinct at your own peril.

TheKeatingFive · 15/10/2022 09:42

Ah yes, people with lived experience.

Apart from women prisoners, rape victims, domestic abuse victims, orthodox religious, sports people, those needing intimate care. Their lived experience can fuck right off.

Got it

TheKeatingFive · 15/10/2022 09:44

As for the current practice of trying to tar people with the 'someone on the right thinks similarly to you on one issue' approach.

I have no words for how pathetic that is as an argument. 😂

Shakenotslurred · 15/10/2022 10:01

MishyJDI · 15/10/2022 08:07

I'm far from clear JK and her friends are supportive of womens rights. There is some very odd funding and association to right wing groups that would work against us - right to choose, right to be LGB just for starters.

I get some peeps have the view that anyone supportive, you dont care about their other politics, as long as they are gender critical.

But when those people are also working against you....one has to think a little on why they are being supportive.

Interesting perspective here for those who can stomach a contrarian view:

So you agree anyone who supports stonewall and mermaids supports pedophilia? And anyone who supports trans rights is in agreement with those people issuing death and rape threats? And as you support trans rights…. What does that say about you?

JoodyBlue · 15/10/2022 10:01

Totally agree - the guilt by association argument is very much barrel scraping and it really is a defence of last resort.

TheKeatingFive · 15/10/2022 10:04

and it really is a defence of last resort.

Aint that the truth. They really have nothing else.

AryaStarkWolf · 15/10/2022 10:14

ReeseWitherfork · 14/10/2022 19:40

This:

Editor's Note: BuzzFeed does not support discriminatory or hateful speech in any form. We stand by the LGBTQ+ community and all fans who found a home in the Harry Potter series and will work to provide a safe space for fans. If you, like us, feel impassioned about trans rights, learn more or donate here.

Surely if it’s that triggering, people just should avoid all HP content?

The words "safe space" just sums up this whole pile of shit the world is turning into

Smilelesstalkmore · 15/10/2022 11:19

MishyJDI · 15/10/2022 08:07

I'm far from clear JK and her friends are supportive of womens rights. There is some very odd funding and association to right wing groups that would work against us - right to choose, right to be LGB just for starters.

I get some peeps have the view that anyone supportive, you dont care about their other politics, as long as they are gender critical.

But when those people are also working against you....one has to think a little on why they are being supportive.

Interesting perspective here for those who can stomach a contrarian view:

This argument just does not wash anymore - for starters you have Peter Tatchell, Jacob Breslow and Vaush on 'your side'.

You will have to come up with something better I'm afraid.

Kanaloa · 15/10/2022 13:34

TheKeatingFive · 15/10/2022 09:44

As for the current practice of trying to tar people with the 'someone on the right thinks similarly to you on one issue' approach.

I have no words for how pathetic that is as an argument. 😂

Just because a clock is stopped at 5.30 doesn’t mean it’s not half five at half past five. Difference is I know it’s half five because I checked my watch too, the clock is just stopped because it doesn’t work well.

Datun · 15/10/2022 14:47

nobodygirle · 15/10/2022 06:45

Those of you defending JKs stance on trans because its a 'women's issue' (ot because you like Harry Potter) do realise that vast majority of men who want to abuse women and children don't feel the need to transition in order to do so? No, they just do it. Its not trans women who are the issue here.

Yeah, but we don't give them an open invitation to walk in on us when we're half naked, or with our knickers round our ankles, do we?

Women don't want to share their intimate spaces or sport with men. It's really not complicated.

Honestly, all these people who think girls have absolutely no right to take their clothes off without a man standing there.

Soubriquet · 15/10/2022 14:58

nobodygirle · 15/10/2022 06:45

Those of you defending JKs stance on trans because its a 'women's issue' (ot because you like Harry Potter) do realise that vast majority of men who want to abuse women and children don't feel the need to transition in order to do so? No, they just do it. Its not trans women who are the issue here.

Well aware of that but if a normal looking bloke walked into a womens toilet, changing area or other female orienteered space, someone would say something.

If a tw, did, they are more likely to get away with it because they are “allowed” into this space.

Plus, they are also allowed to be in a womens prison..even if their crime was the rape of women!

Datun · 16/10/2022 10:57

do realise that vast majority of men who want to abuse women and children don't feel the need to transition in order to do so?

Many of these men aren't 'transitioning'. So the answer to that question is yes, we do realise it. Which is why only 'no men at all' is acceptable. None. Not one.

Wanderingowl · 16/10/2022 11:34

MishyJDI · 15/10/2022 08:07

I'm far from clear JK and her friends are supportive of womens rights. There is some very odd funding and association to right wing groups that would work against us - right to choose, right to be LGB just for starters.

I get some peeps have the view that anyone supportive, you dont care about their other politics, as long as they are gender critical.

But when those people are also working against you....one has to think a little on why they are being supportive.

Interesting perspective here for those who can stomach a contrarian view:

Here's the thing about this kind of point Mishi. When I find myself agreeing with right-wingers, lets take Matt Walsh as an example. It actually does make me stop and examine how that has happened. How is it that I now listen to a man like Walsh, someone who I am such a polar opposite to on many stances, and now find myself agreeing with him on quite a lot? So yes, I examine that. What does it mean for me that I agree with this right-winger. Does it make me a 'baddie' like you are implying. I really do all that introspection that you and your ilk, seem to think we don't. And I conclude that no, in this instance he he right and my former 'allies' are wrong.

But the thing is, it doesn't just stop there. I'm a human, we're naturally quite tribal. So my 'examination' goes beyond just the issues I agree with him on. I start thinking, what else from my old alliances might I disagree on if I delve deeper? What else from my old 'enemies' do I now agree with. I think about abortion/reproductive rights. I think about same sex marriage and parenting. I have found myself really quite opposed to surrogacy, where before I thought it was benign to positive. I'm still very pro-choice, pro-same-sex marriage and parenting though.

But those last three are very deeply held beliefs for me. I know, as an Irish person who has engaged in two important referendum campaigns that a lot of the public support for those three things, can be quite tenuous. We had to convince undecided to our side and they came to us because we seemed to be sensible and compassionate, and most people want to be sensible and compassionate. The other side were fearmongers who talked about ridiculous things happening on a fantasy slippery slope. Now that slippery slope is somehow happening and the sensible and compassionate people are not "our" side, they are strident, bullying, defending the slippery slope. And the sensible and compassionate people are the social conservatives. What the fuck do you think all of the people we brought to 'our' side of issues like abortion rights and same-sex couple rights are likely to do? I'm pretty certain that an awful fucking lot of them will start to align much more fully with sensible and compassionate sounding Matt Walsh. They will change their minds to a much more socially conservative stance. I've seen it happen with people online for the last few years and I've started seeing more recently with people I know in real life.

People like you are playing a damn dangerous game with the very real equality that women and people who are same sex attracted have achieved. Stop pushing away the central majority.

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