Hadley Freeman's going to the Sunday Times

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Can't say I blame her!

And good news for former loyal Guardian readers who now subscribe to the Times and Sunday Times.

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theyll only have Marina & John Crace left. Ah well!

Hadley Freeman’s book ‘house of glass’ is fascinating by the way. Really well researched.

Wow both of them...! May have to subscribe...

Me too with the Times. I only buy a paper copy now because of this.

Great. I used to buy the guardian everyday.

Now I subscribe to the times.

I looked at the guardian web page the other day and it read like a parody of wokeness.

Yes, same. I told the bloke tasked with trying to talk me out of unsubscribing exactly that, too. Make it so bloody difficult to unsub and I'll be sure to never come back.

I think the Guardian is sliding into the same ground as the Independent and Buzzfeed. Junk opinions; not journalism.

For years I only bought the Guardian and am so sad it chose America and gender ideology over British women and sanity

Ditto.

Good news. I dropped Guardian subscription for Times and ST but have missed Hadley.
The Guardian don’t care about lost subscriptions. Their business model is US woke folk clicking and generating advert revenue.

But that is a hugely myopic approach, murder. Surely we should be seeking to ensure the justice system works properly AND upholding the principle of innocent until proven guilty. Both are fallible, both are important. Fight for and uphold both.

It really is sad what’s happened to the Guardian. The Times and Sunday Times have some good writers but the paper comes from a starting point that the average person is far wealthier than I am and will be bothered about private schools and buying second homes.

Absolutely, PaleBlue. There are two sides to this story. mosesfarrow.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-son-speaks-out-by-moses-farrow.html

If you subscribe for the digital sub through the app on Apple or Google store then you can unsubscribe and cancel through the app. No calls needed.

I currently have a cheap subscription to the Times which I'll have to phone and cancel in a few weeks' time. I'm not sure whether I'll bother again. Perhaps leave it for a few months.

I do appreciate some of the writers and coverage but I find a lot of the comments (when they are open, which they rarely seem to be these days) deeply depressing. I suppose I'd hoped that the braying, right-wing idiots were an out-of date cliche or confined to the Telegraph but my god... There's a bit of me that could have done without knowing that such attitudes still existed.

That's useful to know. They do try quite hard to persuade you to stay.

Another former guardian reader who is absolutely thrilled.

@BananaGrana , sorry, that’s such a reductive response. I have a subscription to The Times and we’re a very low-income family. I’m bothered about education not private schools and we definitely don’t have a second home. My DD1 is at a super-selective grammar school as a free school meals pupil.

Anyone suppose the kool aid gang running the graun will pause to reflect why their best writers are jumping ship?

I imagine this must have been a big wrench for Hadley Freeman. I always had the sense that she Guardian to her bones - she used to say she had the best job in the world. What on earth were they thinking when they axed her column? No need to answer that.
I do wonder how much longer they can afford to let top writers slip through their fingers. Can't imagine they have anyone else on their staff who can pivot from interviewing Salman Rushdie to Cheney Hawkes without missing a beat.

Anyway their loss, their fault entirely and congratulations to Hadley.

I feel so lost having grown up with the Graun and the Labour party.
I might be able to switch allegiance to the times but I I'd rather slam my fingers in a drawer than support the tories.

Other feminists choose to believe the victims of sex abuse, very few of whom ever see legal justice.

Believing the victims of sex abuse is not at all the same as believing everyone who says they're a victim of sex abuse. The case of Carl Beech springs to mind.

Of course it's absolutely the case that very few victims of sexual abuse see justice. It's absolutely the case that only 1% of reported rape cases ever result in a conviction. And we have to do everything we can to change that.

That doesn't mean that every single reported case of rape or sexual abuse is true. If you look at the link from TheBiologyStupid you'll see that Moses Farrow has a very different account. If you believe Dylan Farrow, then you are choosing to disbelieve Moses Farrow, who also claims to be a victim of abuse. That puts you in a difficult position, doesn't it?

Best of luck to Freeman.

I'm happy to flick through the Sunday Times when I'm in my parents' house but I'd never knowingly hand over any of my money to News Corp.

Potentially controversial perspective coming up here ... 😂

Is it possible that the Guardian hasn't actually gone down the pan per se, but that this is just the first time many of you can recognise how strange and misleading (and untrue) their reporting can be on issues?

I stopped reading it back in the late noughties when a significant event occurred in my field. The Guardian's coverage of the event, and the origins of it, was misleading to the point of fraudulent, and they pushed an alternative narrative towards the left-leaning sections of society that was not only politically explosive, but is still believed today, has done a massive amount of harm, and has stopped society from being able to have a proper debate about the subject.

Personally, I think The Guardian newspaper is a menace. Where facts are inconvenient, they just ignore them. Some of their columnists write about issues they don't actually know very much about at all, and they don't bother to ask the people who do.

@Torunette .. interesting but tricky that, as we don’t know what you’re referring to.

Torunette I’d say I saw that during the pandemic and it has continued

I agree with you @Torunette and the New York Times is the same. They have both, it would appear, chosen an particular editorial stance and they either completely fail to report on issues, because they are unable to spin them to their chosen viewpoint, or they report on them in a completely misleading way and then quietly issue a very small apology in an out of the way place that no one notices at a later date. I've been a subscriber to both in the past and cancelled my subscriptions in protest.

I'm another former Guardian reader who moved to the Times a few years ago mainly so I could read Janice Turner's excellent columns. Like other posters I still don't feel 100% happy about this mainly becuase of nostalgia around growing up in a Guardian reading household but also because of qualms when it comes to giving money to Rupert Murdoch.

I really resent the damage Kath Viner has done to the Guardian with her pivot to a young audience in the US. Perhaps as someone said above she doesn't care about losing UK readers but surely losing so many great female writers in a short space of time might set alarm bells ringing?