Binding Breasts

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The latest from Lucy Leader discussing the dangers of breast binding and the complicity of LLLI in promoting a lifestyle that regards this action as harmless. Chest binding: A modern Day Version of Foot Binding

Perhaps it should be called a compression device. You can buy compression clothing like vests got autistics who like pressure. There are strict rules 30 minutes at a time I believe. Nothing like tight clothing.

I think if you deform your breasts (as in those before and after pics) by using a binder then you are more likely to want to slice your breasts off. Once they are deformed there is no going back, it must make the body dysmorphia worse. No child should be wearing a binder.

What Datun said above, plus - sports bras are worn for sport. They aren't worn all day, every day.

I was taught how to breast bind 30 years ago. It was sometimes referred to as strapping.

I did it for support to participate in sports as I could not buy a sports bra in my size.

It was emphasised that the purpose was not to compress but to support. Basically the material was wrapped under the bust and then across and over the shoulders.

I was told that if it restricted my movement or breathing it was too tight and I should readjust.

That was the breast binding similar to wearing a sports bra.

I once had to strap down my bust to fit in a costume for a play. OMG it bloody hurt, thankfully I was only in it for a couple of weeks for a few hours at a time.

Stop minimising what is now classed as breast binding. If it was just like wearing a sports bra there would be no need for binders.

Once they are deformed there is no going back, it must make the body dysmorphia worse. No child should be wearing a binder

Pretty much everything about trans affirmation seems to be about making sure that life is as negative as possible. Bind your breasts so you can't participate in life. Damage your body, remove fertility, remove sexual function All things that ensure there's no way back and your feelings about your body are worse than ever. And of course the attempt to control the eyes ears and thoughts of everyone around you alienating friends ajd family with demands they pretend their reality no.longer exists.

What possible positive outcomes are there really . It really is one big " misery lives company" fest.

@MishyJDI see the advice here from the Cleveland Clinic which suggested layering multiple sports bras to achieve the same effect as a binder.it then goes on to list the copious negative side effects of binding.

health.clevelandclinic.org/safe-chest-binding/

The men pushing this have absolutely no idea. They've never had a mammogram, they don't know what flattening your breasts even remotely feels like.

And for many men, of course, a lacy bra is just a paraphilia aid.

Mishy doesn't realise that a bra actually has a purpose if they think a binder and a sports bra are interchangeable.

so why are you trying to police how a trans person views their body? Now there is a thought.

What the actual fuck? Have you put any effort into thinking about this?

You are on a parenting forum, telling mostly mothers and women that we should, what, not stop our daughters (general our) wearing binders?

Do you honestly ever think beyond the superficial? You are fucking on MUMSNET!

Now here is a thought!

Parents need to know the side effects of binders. AND they need to ‘police’ what their daughters are wearing if they are wearing binders.

Fuck off with ‘they are just like sports bras’, too.

Stop spreading harmful misinformation about binders!

I couldn’t get past the photo. So very upsetting.

Yes and it didn't flatten my breasts.
A "chestbinder" is not a benign sports bra. The purpose of a chestbinder is to flatten the chest. The purpose of a sports bra is to support the breast whilst exercising.

Try again.

Yes I remember you saying this on another thread. You’re like a stuck record.

However, at this point I think it is fair to say that MishyJDI has the same level of intellectual ability to put forward an evidenced argument as India Willoughby.

Well done Mishy! Well done.

A commenter on Glinner's substack had a good slap-down of that particular bit of idiocy

This is the standard of their usual logic - binders are the same as sports bras. But 'people' wearing binders may need to be excused from sports lessons.

Who buys a sports bra so they then can't play sport? Nobody. So they aren't sports bras, are they? They are devices that crush the chest, making breathing difficult.

India doesn't have a clue. They said so themselves.

When India was on Big Brother, and they were, er moisturising their chest in front of the mirror, they were completely upfront about how they felt nothing, or words to that effect. Unsurprisingly.

It's not much of a shock that men have no clue what breasts feel like and why sports bras are necessary.

Would we even be having conversations about it being safe if it was ball binding instead? I don't think so!

Compressing a body part into a confined space is obviously going to be unhealthy. Another case of common sense and logic that has to go out of the window for this trend.

Explain how this is a sports bra.

vm.tiktok.com/ZMF67chqn/
@MishyJDI explain how this is a sports bra.

@MishyJDI vm.tiktok.com/ZMF679B4X/ explain how this is a sports bra.

ANYONE who makes the assertion it's like a sports bra is minimising and encouraging abusive self harm practices on girls.
Mothers are raging up and down the country now and rightly so.
The fuckwits who are pushing lies about breast crushers are directly to blame when the reckoning comes.

They are advocating for the suppression and direct harm to girls body parts. What ghouls.

Another very upsetting photo. Presumably she’s proud of wearing a binder and looking like this. My heart breaks for those girls and young women who think that this item will make them look like males. One day they may want to breastfeed a baby - will this be possible?

As for the companies who actively encourage the wearing of these medieval items and indeed send them to girls without requesting the parents’ agreement - you disgust me beyond belief.

Would a doctor treating an anorexic patient be policing how they view their body, now there is a thought 🤔

Those be-rainbowed TikToks - I could weep. What in God’s name has belief in gender ideology led us to?

What a fun-sounding, jolly name yet TikTok allows the transmission of videos showing self harm. How many young teenagers will have viewed these?

You’re right, @WandaWomblesaurus - as a mother, I am raging about this.

ah no.... there is little difference. You should try it!

Are you crazy? As pps have said, they’re designed for entirely different things. My sports bras are comfortable, supportive and gently restraining to prevent excessive movement, not restrictive and flattening.

I was educated by nuns in the 1960s, when they still practised bodily chastisement, which included wearing hair shirts, cilices and - yes - breast binding. It was done as a penance as painful and damaging. It worries me greatly to hear of young women voluntarily subjecting themselves to similar procedures, and I think it springs from similar distress. These nuns were not happy people.

Those tiktok videos are great examples of just why comments like MishyJDI’s are dangerous.

Those binders are doing the very opposite to what any supportive bra is doing.

However, if a person is so weak and conditioned to view everything that is related to gender identity as only ever glowingly positive when they are an adult, they are never going to see the difference.

I think a few are not even capable of understanding why they are wrong, and that could be because they are determined to ignore the cognitive dissonance as well.

The thing that constantly surprises me is when some people are so gleefully supporting this cognitive dissonance. When posters jump onto a thread thinking they have pulled a ‘hot gotcha’ from some prominent trans influencer on twitter and post it here. It is always a giggle to see that complete lack of self awareness.

My sports bra is underwired and supports my breasts. It doesn't flatten them in any way. Absolutely nothing like a breast binder

Perhaps we should treat Mishy like a teenager. You know when we tell them with certain things that of you cant talk about it then you shouldn't be doing it.

If you can't call a binder what it is. A compression device that can cause breathing issues then you are too immature and not informed enough to wear one.

If you can't say radical double mastectomy or hysterectomy and need some cutesy word for it all then again you are too immature to get one.

So much minimising of what are extremely serious interventions with long lists of possible complications with only 1 short lived and immeasurable supposedly positive side effect. Which relies totally on the same people who were prepared to lie to you about what they see anyway.