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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Detransitioners are getting louder. This is heartbreaking

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GrabbyGabby · 11/10/2022 07:38

I think the only thing in this whole shit show worse than sterilising and removing healthy body parts from children, is the shunning and silencing of those who regret what has been done to them, in order to protect the gender mill and keep pockets being lined. I cant wait until the jail sentences start coming.

twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1572387725596049409?t=xd8oFa-BQ5AxkXLDLlDUUg&s=19

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MangyInseam · 15/10/2022 15:23

The wooden spoon is no longer much done, but I think was really not the point of the comment.

Rather that kids were not always given the choice over what to wear.

That does not mean that they never were given the choice.

And tbh I have never seen any parent that actually gives kids complete autonomy about clothing. Even with regard to style, if they are taking their kids to something like a music competition, they are not letting them go in pjs, even if the kids want that.

The issue with "gendered" clothing is that if you create this sense that it is deeply important to avoid it in particular, it actually emphasizes the sense that non-harmful social conventions that reference sex have to align with some kind of inner feeling.

There is a reason so many parents who are very adamant about avoiding gender conventions with their young kids end up jumping on the gender ideology bandwagon.

Whatwouldscullydo · 15/10/2022 16:31

Kanaloa · 15/10/2022 15:10

We’ll need to agree to disagree. For me it’s important to allow children agency in small ways - being allowed to dress how they want rather than being threatened with violence to wear gendered clothing to please others isn’t leading to the trans issue. The idea that in the ‘good old days’ being threatened with the wooden spoon to wear a dress was somehow a great thing that led to character building is incorrect to me.

It wasnt about being threatened to wear gendered clothing. It also merely a reminder that not everything is about us all the damn time. When I can wear what I want any other time , wearing a dress granny bought me to her own birthday will not invalidate anything about me. No one gave a shit I was wearing it. It was just like saying thank you for a present you didn't really like but instead of hurting someone's feelings who doesn't mean anything by it we sucked it up for a couple of hours.

We all have to do things we don't want to or done like to occasionally. Liek we all get gifts we don't like occasionally from people who live us akd wish us no harm nor are they trying to prove a point. To kick off about something pretty minor that harmed no one including myself that ruined the day for everyone else involved would have been selfish and thats the behaviour that would have been punished. The selfishness and inconsiderate behaviour. There are lots if things I dont like wearing but it's not and nor was it the schools job or my employers job to validate my identity. As I said , I hated wearing skirts to school. We constructed multiple arguments as ti why it was unfair we couldn't wear trousers. But placing importance on identity wasnt one of them. It is just entitled ti assume schools exists or work exists for you to do that. Because that's not what we go to school or work for. And no one has consented to be a part of your life in that way.The boys didn't get to express their identities either so the inability to have it validated wasn't the sexism example. The no trousers was.

Whatwouldscullydo · 15/10/2022 16:46

I mean how far do you take it.

When you do bikability at school you have to wear a high vis jacket. Do you let your kid kick off because they were florescent pink?

How about the arm bands at the swimming lessons . Do you tell your kid they are there to help them.float or do you miss the lesson because there were only green ones and that wasnt reflective of their identity.

What if your friend did you a favour and picked hour kid up from school but he had to sit in a pink.car seat?

Or he had to wear his sisters frozen pyjamas because he just threw up over his last pair ?

If goir identity is so fragile that shirt and extremely occasional breeches send your kid over the edge perhaps the identity is a bit of a problem?

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 15/10/2022 19:12

WarriorN · 13/10/2022 07:16

Heartbreaking thread about how many trans men were under the impression that you have to have a hysterectomy after 5 years on T; and most thought it was akin to getting your tonsils out.

twitter.com/choromatz/status/1580183252257886209?s=46&t=azkhB5JyWFfSHPqZC6Xrig

These vulnerable patients are being actively lied to.

Why isn't this a scandal of seismic proportions?

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