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NEWS ARTICLE: Boston Childrens Hospital claim babies know they are Trans in the womb

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BrokenFridgeDrawer · 10/10/2022 10:01

Several news outlets covered this. This is one from the Daily Mail.

'No basis in science or data... just ideology': Critics slam Harvard children's hospital for claiming babies know in the WOMB if they're transgender
The hospital was caught in a scandal over the age for gender transition surgeries

Critics characterize this acceptance of gender ideology a 'social contagion'

The hospital denies that minors were allowed to undergo irreversible surgeries

By CONNOR BOYD HEALTH EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and CASSIDY MORRISON SENIOR HEALTH REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 17:23, 7 October 2022 | UPDATED: 21:05, 7 October 2022
A Harvard-affiliated children's hospital has sparked outrage after claiming some babies know they are transgender 'from the womb'.

In a now-deleted video, the Boston Children's Hospital suggested an even larger number of minors know 'as soon as they can talk'.

Critics told DailyMail.com the claim was was not based on science and suggested medics at the clinic are unwilling to question children who are often vulnerable.

The hospital, part of the Harvard University medical system, also faces claims it rushed under-18s into life-altering sex change surgery.

In the clip posted to the Boston hospital's official YouTube page in August, psychologist Dr Kerry McGregor explains the type of patients she sees.
She says: 'So most of the patients we have in the clinic actually know their gender, usually around the age of puberty.

'But a good portion of children do know as early as - seemingly - from the womb.
'And they will usually express their gender identity as very young children, some as soon as they can talk... kids know very, very early.'

It comes as several states begin to clamp down on puberty blockers being prescribed to children. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has previously likened it to 'child abuse'.

The Boston clinic sees children as young as two and three usually up to the age of nine. New patients come to the clinic and meet with psychologists to discuss their issues with the sex they were born into

Dr Jay Richards, from the right-wing Heritage Foundation, told the DailyMail.com: 'The claim that children “know their gender identity … seemingly from the womb” is a claim with no basis in science or data.

'It’s simply a concept imposed on the actions of kids by gender ideologues.'
Dr Richards said it was another sign of a 'social contagion' that is increasingly creeping into medicine.

'I think even 25 years ago, this would have been unthinkable,' he told DailyMail.com.

The Boston clinic sees children as young as two and three. New patients are given counseling before exploring pharmaceutical options.
The clinic also offers that child 'space and support' to explore their gender.

Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist who specializes in gender issues, told DailyMail.com: 'When distressed and vulnerable young people are offered an option to be somebody different, it's very, very alluring and gender ideology does offer that.'

'This tells us nothing about their 'gender identity,' a concept that no child has on his or her own, that no one had until recently, and that doesn’t even have a stable definition.'

Boston Children's Hospital is also embroiled in scandal over accusations that it permitted minors to to undergo irreversible gender transition surgery.

In now-deleted guidance, the hospital had written that in order to be eligible for vaginoplasty, or the surgical construction of female reproductive genitalia on a boy the patient had to be 'between 17 and 35 years of age at the time of surgery.'
Hospital staff, meanwhile, have said that hasn't happened because no 17-year-old has met the required legal and other criteria.

The hospital has also come under fire for offering young adults hysterectomies and permitting people as young as 15 to under go 'top surgery', an operation that changes the look of a trans person's chest.

Within about a week following public uproar in the realm of right-wing social media accounts, the hospital scrubbed that information from its page on gender affirming care, altering it to say, 'To qualify for gender affirmation at Boston Children's Hospital, you must be at least 18 years old for phalloplasty or metoidioplasty and for vaginoplasty.'

Boston Children's meanwhile, refuted the allegations as transphobic misinformation.

'Age 18 is used to reflect the standard age of majority for medical decision-making,' the hospital stated. 'Boston Children's does not — and will not — perform a hysterectomy as part of gender-affirming care on a patient under the age of 18.'

Dr Richards said that contagion had resulted in a historic rate of young people coming out as trans or non-binary, an umbrella term that people use to describe genders that don't fall into one of these two categories, male or female.

An expansive report from the UCLA Williams Institute, relying on government health surveys spanning from 2017 to 2020, estimated that 1.4 per cent of 13- to 17-year-olds and 1.3 per cent of 18- to 24-year-olds are now transgender, compared with about 0.5 per cent of all adults.

In the UK, meanwhile, referrals for girls to be treated for gender dysphoria, or the distress that arises from a perceived mismatch between the gender someone identifies with vs the gender they were born into, have shot up more than 4,000 per cent over the past decade.

The exponential growth in rates of young people coming out as nonbinary is not surprising to social scientists who have documented incidents of 'social contagion' in the past.

Dr O'Malley told DailyMail.com: 'It's very well known that there's a lot of social contagion, for example, with suicide and with eating disorders and self harm.'
'It's particularly common among adolescent girls because they have a tendency to co-ruminate together, to over identify with each other to kind of endlessly talk about their problems in a very sympathetic way to each other, but it can lead a kind of over- identification with each other's problems,' she added.

In the wake of scandals at Boston Children's, the hospital has been subject to a harassment campaign and have been inundated with bomb scares and threats.
Other children's hospitals where gender-affirming care is offered, such as the Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh, the Vanderbilt Medical Center's Clinic for Transgender Health, and Lurie Children's Hospital in Chicago have been forced to severely curtail services or shift all appointments to telehealth platforms in response to the hostility.

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11280475/Harvard-hospital-claims-babies-know-WOMB-transgender.html

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SamTamit · 29/10/2022 19:49

It would make sense that the Daily Mail would immediately recognise a press release with no basis in science or evidence.

Asdavaluesausage · 29/10/2022 19:58

SamTamit · 29/10/2022 19:49

It would make sense that the Daily Mail would immediately recognise a press release with no basis in science or evidence.

I know. It’s so glad they can spot illogical, bullshit whilst the guardian writers sit twiddling their thumbs. It was also in the times and the telegraph. Funny how it’s only the guardian that keeps Silence on this huge scandal.

FrancescaContini · 30/10/2022 06:20

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 10/10/2022 11:25

Good for the Daily Mail. This is not new, sadly. This piece from the US website 4th Wave Now is over six years old. It's about US psychologist Diane Ehrensaft. Scroll down for the video where she talks about the toddler taking the barrett (hair clasp) out of her hair as a sign she's really a boy. And this gem:

this child wore the little onesie with the snap-ups between the legs. And at age one would unsnap them to make a dress, so the dress would flow. This is a child who was assigned male. That’s a communication, a pre-verbal communication about gender.

And this, which makes me want to scream:

Another thing that’s a show-stopper around [parents] giving consent is the fertility issue. That if the child goes directly from puberty blockers to cross- sex hormones they are pretty much forfeiting their fertility and won’t be able to have a genetically related child.

There’s a lot of parents who have dreams of becoming grandparents. It’s very hard for them not to imagine those genetically related grandchildren. So we have to work with parents around, these aren’t your dreams. [she laughs]. You have to focus on your child’s dreams. What they want.

These people are dangerous. God knows how many families they've wrecked with their utterly wrong-headed, toxic approach to these confused children who needed therapy from sane, mature adults.

4thwavenow.com/2016/09/29/gender-affirmative-therapist-baby-who-hates-barrettes-trans-boy-questioning-sterilization-of-11-year-olds-same-as-denying-cancer-treatment/

Oh my good God. That crap about the babygro…😲

IncompleteSenten · 30/10/2022 06:22

This shit gets more ridiculous every day.

SudocremOnEverything · 30/10/2022 06:34

Lovelyricepudding · 16/10/2022 11:51

Just thinking of a Viva for a gender PhD. I wonder how that works? Any critical analysis and you would be accused of transphobia and it not being a safe spaces.

The supervisor will choose examiners who’ve drunk the kool aid. So the starting point will be everyone on the same page.

The viva system is… variably rigorous. in many cases, it seems to be increasingly ceremonial (rather than an examination).

My friend had a student foisted on her who wrote a genuinely unreadable thesis. I mean, absolute word salad. And the arguments and analysis in it were so dubious.

The examiners raved about it though and there were no corrections. My friend was aghast. The student had an enormous ego and this further inflated it. I’ve tried to read the thesis. It’s really, really bad.

I wouldn’t place any faith in the PhD examination system.

WandaWomblesaurus · 30/10/2022 06:34

Child abuse.
No other words for it.

SudocremOnEverything · 30/10/2022 06:36

more on topic. It’s ridiculous to have a gender (stereotypes) clinic for under 10s at all.

And the idea that foetuses know anything. 🤦🏻‍♀️

I mean, newborns don’t know they have hands.

Asdavaluesausage · 30/10/2022 06:38

I’m still confused. I thought gender was ‘assigned at birth’ so how can an unborn child know which gender it’s going to be assigned? Even the gender fairies don’t know til it pops out.

SudocremOnEverything · 30/10/2022 06:55

Ah. This is where you’re wrong. It’s biological sex that apparently gets assigned at birth.

Whether you want a sparkly unicorn cake or a Spider-Man cake for your birthday is what’s in built. 🙄

Asdavaluesausage · 30/10/2022 07:00

Ahhh! It’s all so confusing. So these foetuses know what gender they are? How? How do they even know what gender is when no one can explain it. I’ve been asking for years for someone to explain mine to me and where I find it, but apparently unborn babies know it.

FrancescaContini · 30/10/2022 07:33

Yes, @Asdavaluesausage , newborns have innate knowledge regarding whether they’d prefer the pink or blue booties! According to the quote upthread, girl-gender babies can even communicate their gender using body language, unpopping of their own accord their babygros to transform them into a dress! Incredible, eh?

Asdavaluesausage · 30/10/2022 07:36

These people are batshit. There’s no other way to describe. It. Pure batshittery

Lyonesse2020 · 30/10/2022 07:43

Hang on - my daughter never unpopped her babygro to turn it into a dress, but now at 6 she loves pink, sparkles, dresses and unicorns. So was she a trans baby who has now grown out of it?

(Obviously she isn't - she's a girl.)

TheKeatingFive · 30/10/2022 08:25

So was she a trans baby who has now grown out of it

OMG, educate yourself. Clearly she's Enby. How tragic for her to have a mother who can't even support her for who she is. 🤦‍♀️

SudocremOnEverything · 30/10/2022 08:41

FrancescaContini · 30/10/2022 07:33

Yes, @Asdavaluesausage , newborns have innate knowledge regarding whether they’d prefer the pink or blue booties! According to the quote upthread, girl-gender babies can even communicate their gender using body language, unpopping of their own accord their babygros to transform them into a dress! Incredible, eh?

Of course.

A preference for Spider-Man T-shirts is part of an innately gender soul.

NitroNine · 30/10/2022 19:39

Sorry @Lovelyricepudding I’ve only just seen your question!

One of the HUGE things with Obamacare/the ACA was that it brought an end to insurers being able to refuse coverage (or charge more for it) if people had a pre-existing condition. Despite this, according to the CDC, approximately 9.7% of the US population were uninsured in 2020. Being able to stay on parents’ insurance longer has made a huge difference to not just the number of people insured, but keeping people consistently insured. Affording medication is possibly a bigger issue now - there are a lot of schemes to help with costs, eg of insulin; but it’s staggering to think that the average price of EpiPens that would cost a maximum of £9.35 in the UK (however many were prescribed) is $690.

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