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Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 2

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ResisterRex · 06/10/2022 05:55

The first thread, towards the end of which there was a discussion about having a second thread but it wasn't added:

Mermaids being investigated by the charity commission
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4644323-mermaids-being-investigated-by-the-charity-commissionn_

There's been a new development so maybe a second thread would be useful:

Lottery pauses trans charity cash during investigation

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c959a286-44e4-11ed-8885-043c27446b97?shareToken=6d482edb1a386656502f33453da5c230

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Signalbox · 07/10/2022 10:49

Thelnebriati · 07/10/2022 10:47

Are non crime hate incidents still being recorded?

Yes

www.college.police.uk/article/protecting-freedom-expression-updated-guidance

ReunitedThorns · 07/10/2022 10:51

A website that I go on that if the article makes any mention of Harry Potter they have to include a final paragraph about JKR and how you should donate to Mermaids, has suddenly changed to now donating to TransActual (no idea) and all mention of Mermaids has disappeared.

rogdmum · 07/10/2022 10:59

Good point. It's damage limitation. If they can appoint someone to such a senior role and fail to use the appropriate safeguarding checks, it's reasonable to assume that they've failed to make appropriate checks on their other volunteers / staff.

MrsOvertonsWindow

not to mention the scant vetting of applicants to the Youth Forum. NO ID checks (certainly through 2021) and anyone could talk their way through the brief phone call telling whatever tale they liked.

ArabellaScott · 07/10/2022 10:59

Article on hate crime report:

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/record-rise-in-hate-crimes-may-not-be-genuine-says-home-office/ar-AA12Fvx9

'The Home Office report on the data admitted: "It is uncertain to what degree the increase in police recorded hate crime is a genuine rise, or due to continued recording improvements and more victims having the confidence to report these crimes to the police."

It cited the crime survey for England and Wales - in which 50,000 people aged 16 and over are questioned about their experience of hate crime - which showed that the estimated number of hate incidents had fallen by 40 per cent in the past decade from 307,000 to 184,000.

David Green, the chief executive of the think tank Civitas, said: "It is due to a change in police activity. They are on the look out for hate crime to demonstrate that they are not racist or misogynist."

The Home Office suggested the rise in transgender hate crime could be the result of trans issues being "heavily discussed on social media".'

Birdsweepsin · 07/10/2022 11:00

TransActual is

  • Jane Fae (Adviser to Girl Guides, Choking Porn is good, How to permanently delete stuff off your hard drive)

*Helen Belcher (trans women in women's toilets is exactly the same as black women in the 50s, Lib Dem PPC who wanted to be the first trans MP)

ArabellaScott · 07/10/2022 11:00

JFC, they're signposting children to an org run by Jane Fae and Helen Belcher?!

Signalbox · 07/10/2022 11:01

ReunitedThorns · 07/10/2022 10:51

A website that I go on that if the article makes any mention of Harry Potter they have to include a final paragraph about JKR and how you should donate to Mermaids, has suddenly changed to now donating to TransActual (no idea) and all mention of Mermaids has disappeared.

If Mermaids go down it is inevitable that a new equally nutty organisation will rise to prominence in its place. I've seen criticism of Mermaids previously from TRAs because it is not a trans led organisation. There are probably TRAs who will be pleased to see the back of it

Signalbox · 07/10/2022 11:04

Birdsweepsin · 07/10/2022 11:00

TransActual is

  • Jane Fae (Adviser to Girl Guides, Choking Porn is good, How to permanently delete stuff off your hard drive)

*Helen Belcher (trans women in women's toilets is exactly the same as black women in the 50s, Lib Dem PPC who wanted to be the first trans MP)

This is what they want...

"We are run by the trans community, with the trans community, for the trans community."

www.transactual.org.uk/about-us

ResisterRex · 07/10/2022 11:08

Jo Bartosch:

twitter.com/jo_bartosch/status/1578022786685358081?s=46&t=075T2mjz1gMaiPxfNlkZpw

"Happy to drop MM a line to ask about their trustee recruitment process"

twitter.com/jo_bartosch/status/1578058289899773952?s=46&t=075T2mjz1gMaiPxfNlkZpw

"For those following this, Mermaids did respond to my email, though they declined to clarify whether they had approached Breslow about the trustee role or if he had applied through a competitive process."

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ReunitedThorns · 07/10/2022 11:11

Sounds like TransActual is another pressure group charity run by middle-aged heterosexual male transitioners who refuse to acknowledge the real reason behind their transition.

IcakethereforeIam · 07/10/2022 11:15

Is anything known about the other trustee(s) with a dispensation?

TheClogLady · 07/10/2022 11:17

This surely needs to become a police matter asap? The charities commission doesn’t exist to look into the background and influence of paedophiles and the fails that have allowed them onto charity boards. Plus, who knows where some of these Mermaids-forum > Discord chats lead eventually? We could be looking at adults encouraging minors to distribute self taken images if not worse 😢

And any investigation surely cannot be undertaken by police force who have been ‘trained’ by Mermaids!

(a neighbouring force or the Met? I don’t know how any of this works)

(Feel free to ignore this carrier pigeon of a tagging@vicarinatutu as I know you are providing explanations of police procedure all over the board already, which must be exhausting, but I can’t think of anyone else to ask!)

Dreikanter · 07/10/2022 11:18

ReunitedThorns · 07/10/2022 11:11

Sounds like TransActual is another pressure group charity run by middle-aged heterosexual male transitioners who refuse to acknowledge the real reason behind their transition.

Helen Belcher and Jane Fae are on the list of company directors..

Signalbox · 07/10/2022 11:18

ReunitedThorns · 07/10/2022 11:11

Sounds like TransActual is another pressure group charity run by middle-aged heterosexual male transitioners who refuse to acknowledge the real reason behind their transition.

And who want to use the idea of the "trans child" as a way to normalise their paraphilia within society. As if they have anything at all in common with 13 year old girls.

BewaretheIckabog · 07/10/2022 11:39

I’m not really sure why anybody thinks a paedophile apologist is a bad fit for MM. It seems to me:

Both want to operate outside normal safeguarding rules

Both want children to be able to consent to things that they are too young to understand

Both want to be able to operate without outside scrutiny

Both have no problem with encouraging and assisting children with hiding things from their families

Lots of common ground.

TheClogLady · 07/10/2022 11:40

I suppose at least we have the ‘forewarned is forearmed’ angle on Jane Fae’s special interests/family history (including how Jane’s ‘coming out’ in the middle of Jane’s daughter’s GCSE exams impacted Jane’s daughter).

Hilariously, my autocorrect changed ‘Fae’ to ‘Dad’ - luckily I caught it before publishing, wouldn’t want to offend anyone…

theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/feb/18/gender-dysmorphia-daughter-dad-woman

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1252462/Andrea-Fletcher-devoted-fiancee-whos-sticking-man-John-Ozimek-despite-fact-wants-woman-named-Jane-Fae.html

Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 2
Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 2
TheClogLady · 07/10/2022 11:43

Probably pertinent to share the insightful ‘Children of Transitioners’ website here, it includes first person accounts of what (now adult) children have experienced when a parent transitions:

childrenoftransitioners.org/2021/05/10/stop-using-us-as-props/

Birdsweepsin · 07/10/2022 11:48

Ellie Mae O'Hagan (you remember, "I actually don't know why some people are women and why some people are men, no-one on this panel does") has come out with this gem: "I know a lot of the staff at Mermaids and they are so, so lovely"

'Lovely' ain't worth buttons in a court of law Ellie

twitter.com/elliemaeohagan/status/1578293017177313280?s=20&t=NztEXwSHnold0fbfWEjhOg

TheClogLady · 07/10/2022 11:56

Caroline Farrow and Jane Fae on a news programme, discussing the Cornwall DFE case (recently concluded when the DFE backed down, after FOUR YEARS):

Jane Fae was part of a documentary with another middle aged transitioner but I can’t seem to find it. It wasn’t a very flattering portrait, iirc (the other person featured was a lot more likeable, iirc).

TheClogLady · 07/10/2022 12:00

I dunno why I just typed Cornwall when I meant IOW - middle age moment 🙈

here’s the outcome of the case in Caroline and Jane’s clip above:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10509429/School-sends-letter-parents-six-year-old-warning-transphobic-behaviour.html

TheClogLady · 07/10/2022 12:03

While I was looking for a recent article on the IOW story I got this hit:

nypost.com/2022/10/06/transgender-kids-charity-trustee-resigns-after-minor-attracted-persons-speech/

Mermaids’ is now being covered by US press. Let’s hope it goes further than just the NY Post, now that some of the more left-leaning news orgs are starting to report on the negative side of trans ideology (see my recent thread on the NY Times Mastectomy Story).

BewaretheIckabog · 07/10/2022 12:04

It’s difficult to see where Mermaids go from this.

If they push on with business as usual they will attract more scrutiny and questions but if they change strategy they are admitting what they have done historically is wrong and they have done harm.

TheClogLady · 07/10/2022 12:08

The only way they can continue is to ditch Green so it looks like a fresh start.

Green is likely to be gripping on with the strength of one of those toy clippies from the 80s, strong enough to take a finger off.

Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 2
Birdsweepsin · 07/10/2022 12:13

TheClogLady · 07/10/2022 12:08

The only way they can continue is to ditch Green so it looks like a fresh start.

Green is likely to be gripping on with the strength of one of those toy clippies from the 80s, strong enough to take a finger off.

Green sitting behind a big desk... "I AM Mermaids!"

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2022 12:15

Jane Fae was part of a documentary with another middle aged transitioner but I can’t seem to find it. It wasn’t a very flattering portrait, iirc (the other person featured was a lot more likeable, iirc).

Is that the one which showed Jane's family as Jane "transitioned"?

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