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Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 2

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ResisterRex · 06/10/2022 05:55

The first thread, towards the end of which there was a discussion about having a second thread but it wasn't added:

Mermaids being investigated by the charity commission
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4644323-mermaids-being-investigated-by-the-charity-commissionn_

There's been a new development so maybe a second thread would be useful:

Lottery pauses trans charity cash during investigation

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c959a286-44e4-11ed-8885-043c27446b97?shareToken=6d482edb1a386656502f33453da5c230

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jlpartnerrs · 10/10/2022 13:54

Just come on to de-lurk and say that I'm completely flat wrt these revelations. I'm not indifferent, nor unfeeling but I am wearied by the effort that's still to come to unpick and re-erect the safeguarding landscape that has been utterly trashed by people (schools, scouts, anyone working with kids who've had safeguarding training) who are paid in a professional capacity and really should know better. The sacred caste strikes again.

VestofAbsurdity · 10/10/2022 13:57

Grievedbutrelieved · 10/10/2022 13:54

@VestofAbsurdity
Thank you.

I noted there is a Dr Bell listed as a trustee of Mermaids. Is there any connection to Keira Bell?

No knowledge of the Dr Bell listed as a trustee but the likelihood of there being any connection to Kiera Bell is somewhere between nil and zero.

BlueBrush · 10/10/2022 14:21

Dr Belinda Bell
www.jesus.cam.ac.uk/dr-belinda-bell

334bu · 10/10/2022 14:22

uk.linkedin.com/in/belinda-bell

TheBiologyStupid · 10/10/2022 14:22

IcakethereforeIam · 10/10/2022 11:17

I saw an article in the Guardian today (should really reduce that to an initialism)...isaaitgt on challenging 'expert witnesses re. parental alienation.

This is a link to a memo. giving courts guidance on credence to give to expert witnesses. I don't know how relevant it is but 'expertise' on transgenderism in children seem to be as much about belief, so it may be pertinent. I think this thread is now a resource so, if it might be helpful, I'll leave it here. I have read it, but I have a very low tolerance for legalese. Apologies for time wasting if it lacks relevance. It's a download, if it works at all.

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/PFD-Memo-Experts.pdf

Private Eye have been covering the issue of "expert" witnesses for a while. There are nine protected titles (e.g. counselling psychologist, clinical psychologist, forensic" psychologist) which the Health and Care Professions Council (HCOC) regulates, but anyone using an unprotected title such as "consultant psychologist" can pretty much get away with anything as the British Psychological Society (BPS) has "no regulatory function or duty to check qualifications or fitness to practise".

The president-elect of the BPS just stepped down after the Eye revealed that she had been offering services to the family court etc. without apparently being properly registered herself. The Eye praised her "impressive track record", but said that the loophole on who can give expert evidence needs closing, citing the case of a "consultant psychologist" who had been denied HCPC registration because of his "bad character" , but who nevertheless was able to work in "the most sensitive areas of public protection, including the criminal courts, parole hearings and tribunals - because he doesn't use a protected title".

Sorry about the slight derail here.

BlueBrush · 10/10/2022 14:38

Definitely not a derail @TheBiologyStupid. There's a fascinating theme running all the way through this about who is treated as an expert, and who is allowed to claim themselves as a credible source of advice (medical, legal, etc.), not only to individuals, but to organisations, such as schools, NHS trusts, government bodies.

....I'm sure there was one of the recent legal cases where the expert for the pro-gender ideology side was completely bizarre in terms of their background...can't remember which case it was.

ArabellaScott · 10/10/2022 16:08

BewaretheIckabog · 10/10/2022 10:42

I notice on Mermaids web chat it says the service is 100% confidential. I thought one rule of safeguarding was you should never promise a child that.

I thought safeguarding meant you have to report a child in danger, someone who may be dangerous to themselves or others.

Also don’t MM have a duty to report all these suicidal children where there is a risk of immediate harm. They must be on the phone to Social Services constantly.

Yes, I think that's standard across many services - confidential unless there is a need to report something to relevant authorities.

chilling19 · 10/10/2022 16:09

Charley50 · 09/10/2022 15:55

Looks like he went to Goldsmiths

Of course he did. Where else? 😩

Birdsweepsin · 10/10/2022 16:23

"Looks can be deceiving..."

Oh yes?

Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 2
RedToothBrush · 10/10/2022 16:26

BlueBrush · 10/10/2022 14:21

Currently Belinda is working at the interface of finance and systemic risk, collaborating with the world’s largest asset-owners to enable their financial resources to be stewarded in service of planetary boundaries and just societies.

Interesting...

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/10/2022 16:37

BlueBrush · 10/10/2022 14:38

Definitely not a derail @TheBiologyStupid. There's a fascinating theme running all the way through this about who is treated as an expert, and who is allowed to claim themselves as a credible source of advice (medical, legal, etc.), not only to individuals, but to organisations, such as schools, NHS trusts, government bodies.

....I'm sure there was one of the recent legal cases where the expert for the pro-gender ideology side was completely bizarre in terms of their background...can't remember which case it was.

It's a feature of how adherents to this ideology behave in relation to different professions. Look at the trans guidance for schools - written by adults self invested in being trans and with zero qualifications in child psychology, safeguarding, child development, pastoral care or the curriculum. Yet they're allowed to influence practice in in primary, secondary schools, early years and special education. The same applies to children in care of the state, the child health in the NHS, the Girl Guides and almost every other aspect of life where children gather. Shamefully those with relevant qualifications are silenced - either through fear or because they set aside their professional expertise and sign up to an unevidenced ideology.
As we see with the exposures at Mermaids - none of this benefits children or keeps them safe.

TheClogLady · 10/10/2022 16:42

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2022 16:26

Currently Belinda is working at the interface of finance and systemic risk, collaborating with the world’s largest asset-owners to enable their financial resources to be stewarded in service of planetary boundaries and just societies.

Interesting...

The peace org is called Peace Direct.

According to this doc, Bell is a Trustee and Baroness Helena Kennedy is a patron...

Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 2
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Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 2
BlueBrush · 10/10/2022 16:51

Belinda Bell's academic area is social enterprise, and this is an article written by her that discusses this e.g. social enterprise vs charity.

www.thersa.org/comment/2021/09/taking-care-of-business

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2022 17:31

BlueBrush · 10/10/2022 16:51

Belinda Bell's academic area is social enterprise, and this is an article written by her that discusses this e.g. social enterprise vs charity.

www.thersa.org/comment/2021/09/taking-care-of-business

Take, for instance, a non-profit social enterprise that provides services to vulnerable young people and whose revenues mainly come in the form of annual contracts from the council. What is the difference between this and a charity doing similar work? Largely, it is in matters of culture. The social enterprise will think of the council as a customer, will expect contracts instead of grants, will perhaps have a less deferential relationship with the council. And what are the advantages of this? Charitable legislation can be a little clunky to work under, but it is wrong to suggest that charities per se are somehow less professional or efficient than other organisational forms. So, for a case like this it is a matter of choice – a social enterprise or a charity – with little real-world impact.

Erm, 'but it is wrong to suggest that charities per se are somehow less professional'... yep ok...

Much of the work undertaken by social enterprises in the education and health sector would not be needed if adequate public services were in place. This is an argument long levelled at charities, and social enterprises are no different; the challenge should also be made to them. When an organisation patches up such problems downstream, there is less incentive for the problems to be eliminated at source. If the only tools in our box are social enterprise or charity, then we are missing the opportunity to use other properly different levers, such as addressing disadvantage by reforming the benefit system or introducing innovations such as a universal basic income.

Well ABOUT THAT....

BlueBrush · 10/10/2022 17:41

Yeah, and I was trying to be classy and stick to the substance of what she was saying, and not snort too much over this bit!

Despite some difficult media coverage in recent times, charities are widely understood, well regarded and trusted.

Needmoresleep · 10/10/2022 19:01

chilling19 · 10/10/2022 16:09

Of course he did. Where else? 😩

And so, it seems, did Belinda Bell

IcakethereforeIam · 10/10/2022 19:44

Ooh, i totally heard an Eastender's duh duh!

nauticant · 10/10/2022 19:47

I'm pleased to see this thread now has a Red Brush and a Blue Brush.

BlueBrush · 10/10/2022 19:57

nauticant · 10/10/2022 19:47

I'm pleased to see this thread now has a Red Brush and a Blue Brush.

😀I'm honoured to be in my respected Brush sibling's company. @RedToothBrush has been on fire this week.

BellaAmorosa · 10/10/2022 20:05

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2022 09:09

This morning the Times is reporting another charity promoted by Harry and Megan is under investigation after its leaders pocketed £2million in 5 years.

Now its clear this is part of a campaign against them but its also highlighting there is a major problem over celebrity endorsement of charities and there similar isn't enough due diligence / oversight going on from those who put their names to charities. H and M are far from alone in this problem but they are one of the most high profile celebrity endorsers. They have the means to be double checking the creditials and running of these charities.

It really isn't good enough.

@RedToothBrush
Do you know, I just saw that report in the Times and came on here to post exactly the same thing!
It would be so helpful if supporters with the profile and the resources they have would stop and take a more critical look at what they are promoting. The effect would be huge. Unfortunately, partly because it is seen as a personal attack, I think H&M or other supporters of possibly dodgy charities or foundations will find it hard to do so.

As an aside, on gender issues, I recall that a couple of years ago, Meghan made a point of visiting and raising money for the Vancouver Rape crisis - the one which is mainly for indigenous women and which TRAs got defunded. So I've always had a soft spot for her for that reason. Some of you may laugh, but to me she come across as a strong feminist - lib fem on the outside, rad fem on the inside - and I feel like her heart's in the right place. She's so nearly there... Anyhoo, don't want to derail the thread.

ResisterRex · 11/10/2022 05:21

The Times reports those images

Trans charity worker ‘posed as schoolgirl in explicit pictures’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ca30ddfe-48e1-11ed-8176-c5c5e560820a?shareToken=8b010b5b6b8958f58197578f85c93bf2

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Shakenotslurred · 11/10/2022 06:23

Wonder how little OJ and IW will spin this. They were amongst the very few still defending mermaids after the pedo scandal. Will this be the last straw? How fast can little OJ reverse? Watch this space

PronounssheRa · 11/10/2022 07:17

Shakenotslurred · 11/10/2022 06:23

Wonder how little OJ and IW will spin this. They were amongst the very few still defending mermaids after the pedo scandal. Will this be the last straw? How fast can little OJ reverse? Watch this space

OJ I'm going for kink shaming

IW God knows they have bizarre takes on everything

rogdmum · 11/10/2022 07:22

I’m still amazed by the silence from the overwhelming majority of politicians (Miriam Cates and Joanna Cherry, Murdo Fraser being the odd notable expception). I’d also told the Office of the Children’s Commissioner back in 2021 about the content of my 2020 Charities Commission complaint and more recently sent a copy. Not a peep from them despite Mermaids being listed as an additional resource in the ScotGov school guidelines. Quite amazing.

ResisterRex · 11/10/2022 07:26

@rogdmum if you can, or feel OK with it, can you share more screen shots of what you complained about and who to? These are really helpful when writing to MPs. But I definitely do not want to make you feel you must. I'm only asking on the off chance and I realise you must have a weight on your shoulders and a lot of people asking you for things.

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