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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Carolyn Farrow taken to police station

785 replies

ScreamingMeMe · 04/10/2022 08:10

Long twitter thread here. She's had her electronic devices seized too, and has been accused of being certain posters on Kiwi Farms and Mumsnet

@BernardBlacksWineIceLolly and @BreakWindandFire sorry to tag you but she's been accused of being you!

We all know who this will be, but as Caroline says, please don't speculate/discuss them.

twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1577092705154666496?t=Cv7tRv3YdqIogpXT_MSwZQ&s=19

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OverArmour · 05/10/2022 05:36

@stillvicarinatutu have you seen the person who was arrested’s twitter feed? It might help to shed light, if you haven’t. Also the twitter feed linked above also does so.

HatThatWearsYou · 05/10/2022 06:04

stillvicarinatutu · 05/10/2022 04:36

You don't know me on here do you- that's fine .

Not arguing. Have enough of that at work . But I do a lot here . For nothing.

I searched your name like you said, I can see you post a lot yes.

I do know you on here funnily enough, and I notice that the thread that brought you to my attention was mentioned by a PP

There was a thread on AIBU recently, started by a police officer, tellung us that only 17% of reports to police are NOT mental health issues.

The intention was to show us that the police are far too busy having to respond to such things to deal with 'real' crime but I'm sick to death of reading these stories of police immediately deploying against women accused of "hate crimes" which are either no such bloody thing OR - in CF's case - just malicious accusations by the usual suspects designed to bully and harass her.

You can keep my biscuit, I think you deserve it.

picklemewalnuts · 05/10/2022 07:06

@stillvicarinatutu you have behaved badly here to Hat.

It is not acceptable for police to crawl past a lone female dog walker late at night, multiple times.

If they had some concern, stop and speak to her. Acting like a kerb crawler is not a good look.

And you've been directed multiple times to Twitter for the information you want. There are articles linked as well.

Are you ok, because tonight you don't sound it?

BordoisAgain · 05/10/2022 07:24

ToGanymedeAndTitan · 05/10/2022 02:33

But actually, yes we should be supporting her here.

If we don't, to me it would seem to be harmful to women in general yes

See, I just can't get this viewpoint, and I've tried .
We should support all women, regardless of their views?
If they're at home, cooking a roast chicken, tending to the kids (as alluded to in the emotive tweets) it doesn't matter what they' might be sending, or what they're saying, they're a woman so we must always be supportive, no matter what?
No.

Well that sounds like a you problem as it's been explained umpteen times.

But that's always been your MO hasn't it.

lovelyweathertoday · 05/10/2022 07:27

I cannot understand what is going on with the British police and how this has been allowed to happen.

It's really strange isn't it? They seem to regard "malicious communications" as the most serious crime, to the point where they allow themselves to be used as a tool of harassment.

Is it just that they've been told they are on the right side of history so they think it looks good, coupled with it being easy pickings. They are told who the suspect is and the suspect will just be available at home.

KittenKong · 05/10/2022 07:29

The chickens have had training from the foxes on security and permission.

ScreamingMeMe · 05/10/2022 07:30

for anyone who doesn't know "swatting" is where someone makes a fraudulent call to the police claiming there's an active shooter at an address they've doxxed in the hopes the police will overreact and shoot someone).

The person who claimed to have been swatted wasn't actually swatted anyway. They lied, and tripped themselves up in their lies.

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KatMcBundleFace · 05/10/2022 07:34

The Adrian Yelland twitter thread is just gob smacking. Insanity swirls around all of this, as it has done before on these boards and elsewhere.
The authorities need to protect victims from these vexatious attacks.

dunBle · 05/10/2022 07:35

For the benefit of Caroline, and anyone who doesn't know the origins of @BernardBlacksWineIcelolly, it comes from the early noughties sitcom Black Books (series 2 episode 2) and

AlisonDonut · 05/10/2022 07:36

Caro put all the info needed into the twitter thread, maybe worth actually reading it?

KittenKong · 05/10/2022 07:37

This person is known (so I believe) so how on all that is holy are they allowed to do a Yaniv here? When will they be addressed?

ScreamingMeMe · 05/10/2022 07:47

Saw this on twitter. A police officer barging into a civil converation!

twitter.com/Con_Tomlinson/status/1577290203143847936?t=6s6xAivtyiHXEsaXRS2FnQ&s=19

I was threatened with ARREST for a public order offence by a police officer

He accused me of using derogatory language against a woman I was talking to and the "LGBTQ+ community"

I had called Gayle Rubin 'insidious'

The woman did not feel insulted

We are not a free country

The full recorded exchange will be available later this week on lotuseaters.com

I am stunned that, for one word overheard at a distance, I had a cop threaten me with arrest

Never even spoken to a uniform police officer in my life

Outside Conservative Party Conference no less

Just thought to add: woman I was chatting to before and after was lovely. We clarified out positions once the overreaching officer cleared off. Then shook hands and parted ways

The state is stopping people having cordial discussions and resolving disagreements

How... Insidious

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Handsoffmyrights · 05/10/2022 08:05

ScreamingMeMe · 05/10/2022 07:47

Saw this on twitter. A police officer barging into a civil converation!

twitter.com/Con_Tomlinson/status/1577290203143847936?t=6s6xAivtyiHXEsaXRS2FnQ&s=19

I was threatened with ARREST for a public order offence by a police officer

He accused me of using derogatory language against a woman I was talking to and the "LGBTQ+ community"

I had called Gayle Rubin 'insidious'

The woman did not feel insulted

We are not a free country

The full recorded exchange will be available later this week on lotuseaters.com

I am stunned that, for one word overheard at a distance, I had a cop threaten me with arrest

Never even spoken to a uniform police officer in my life

Outside Conservative Party Conference no less

Just thought to add: woman I was chatting to before and after was lovely. We clarified out positions once the overreaching officer cleared off. Then shook hands and parted ways

The state is stopping people having cordial discussions and resolving disagreements

How... Insidious

I'm stunned.
I live in Birmingham. My neighbour was burgled. Three men were in her house, and she called the police to say they were downstairs, while she and hee baby were upstairs.
The police did not have enough resource to send anybody out.

ScreamingMeMe · 05/10/2022 08:05

Another thread from Adrian Yalland. The same person has made 4 or 5 complaints to bar standards about him.

twitter.com/AdrianYalland/status/1577441968497561606?t=0fDJmV7i_ZaintyVaw6FYQ&s=19

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KittenKong · 05/10/2022 08:12

Is this the person I’m thinking of? Glasses? Our for lunch (not a euphemism - they posted a tweet in a restaurant this week)?

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 05/10/2022 08:23

KittenKong · 05/10/2022 08:12

Is this the person I’m thinking of? Glasses? Our for lunch (not a euphemism - they posted a tweet in a restaurant this week)?

Were they wearing a bobble hat?

Justasmallgless · 05/10/2022 08:24

HatThatWearsYou · 05/10/2022 04:38

Good, I'm sincerely glad you do!

Still find your replies to me all of the above ^

Hat, I too am a serving police officer of a similar age and I can totally understand why you would feel like this.
I'm actually angry on your behalf.

I imagine they have potentially thought "best not stop this lone woman walking her dog as she might be worried by that" rather than " we will provide some reassurance to Thai lone woman walking her dog"

We are doing listening circles in our force about experiences of women inside the force and that's still bad enough. Unfortunately we have a huge number of under 30 new recruits due to the cuts and then recruitment so most of those patrolling have under 3-5 years service.

I am really sorry you had this experience and would urge you to email in.
It's not a complaint, it's explaining how it makes us as women feel vulnerable

So infuriated by the CF case I can't post anything

WarriorN · 05/10/2022 08:34

Vicar I wish I could subtly point you in a direction and I wracked my brains as to how but given how litigatious (sp?!) certain TRAs are I genuinely don't feel able to.

If you Google past issues with people trying to sue mumsnet (which made the news) you'll see why I am cautious.

I've not had time to follow the thread properly over night

HatThatWearsYou · 05/10/2022 08:45

Thank you@picklemewalnuts
and@Justasmallgless I appreciate you understanding that I am not saying police = bad, patrolling should be done away with in case an unstable woman sees a car going by at a distance lol. I'm actually very much police = good, but we need to have that whole without fear or favour thing.

I hadn't even considered emailing them, I don't even remember exactly when it happened except it was some months ago now, would it matter?

I would have felt more reassured if they'd have stopped and said something. Tbh the weird intimidating feeling just made me a bit cross and uncomfortable but I could only manage the famous MN hard stare. I don't think I'd be comfortable waving down the policemen that were making me feel uncomfortable these days really, seems like iffy advice along the lines of what the Met released as advice for women to stay safe.

I'm not the only one who's faith in the police has plummeted recently and the awful thing is there's good reason for the lack of faith it seems.

ScreamingMeMe · 05/10/2022 08:45

Surrey Police visited a Parish Councillor for posting a meme earlier this year.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10380107/Police-visit-parish-councillors-home-warn-faces-arrest-Facebook-post.html

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Dreikanter · 05/10/2022 08:58

Meanwhile, someone on Twitter seems to have woken up with a champagne hangover and is most aggrieved.

FortunesFavour · 05/10/2022 08:59

@stillvicarinatutu - your arguments upthread that Hat should feel pleased to see officers on night patrol in her area as they performed their pointless and threatening drive by are nonsense.

why would any woman feel reassured to attract scrutiny from the police in a dark alley? After the murder of SE, strip searching teenagers, the rank misogyny and racism amongst their ranks which has been well publicised?

why would be public be reassured when just this week the police have been berated for their woeful failure to attend burglaries reported?

You cannot expect the public, and women in particular, to trust the police at all given their behaviour over the past 12 months.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 05/10/2022 09:08

HatThatWearsYou · 05/10/2022 04:10

You've called me paranoid and been quite insensitive so frankly I think there is need to be a little defensive.

I actually think you might be on the wind up.

The "the WC of this world are rare" is the police equivalent of NAMALT, how the hell am I supposed to know which ones are the decent ones? I know most are, but how do I pick out the ones that aren't decent?

You are ridiculing what I am saying by asking if I understand that police can't stop patrolling at night in case it makes a lone woman feel "a bit funny" Hmm

Did I say that police patrolling makes me uncomfortable? No.

I said that their repeated scrutiny and behaviour in such a short space of time was so unusual that that made me uncomfortable.

I actually think you might be on the wind up.

I think so, too.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 05/10/2022 09:16

ScreamingMeMe · 05/10/2022 08:45

Surrey Police visited a Parish Councillor for posting a meme earlier this year.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10380107/Police-visit-parish-councillors-home-warn-faces-arrest-Facebook-post.html

Man alive

Mr Willgoss, a parish councillor for Surrey Heath who also works in garden maintenance, said the officers told him he may have committed a public order offence and should attend an interview to explain his actions. He said he was told if he did not attend he may be arrested over the image.

what was the image? A picture of 2 trans rights activists holding signs that had previously said ‘trans rights are human rights’ but had been photoshopped to say ‘terfs were right all along’ and ‘trans rights are very, very boring’

some people will always make vexatious complaints. Humans are complicated and weird

getting caught up in that shows shit judgement on the part of Surrey Police and a distinct lack of understanding of what’s important to the public. The police do after all police by public consent.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 05/10/2022 09:19

ScreamingMeMe · 05/10/2022 08:05

Another thread from Adrian Yalland. The same person has made 4 or 5 complaints to bar standards about him.

twitter.com/AdrianYalland/status/1577441968497561606?t=0fDJmV7i_ZaintyVaw6FYQ&s=19

And numerous other people, too. At the very least this should raise questions about people who use the law to relentlessly harangue, socially ostracize and professionally ruin anyone who dares make a public statement they don't happen to like. There are a couple who spring to mind, but the TRA who's harassing Yalland, Caroline and others is notorious - yet still being taken seriously by police.

If anything can be 'hate speech' because a vexatious litigant decides it's hate speech, and has the means and wherewithall to pursue it through the legal system, then it's not only people with conservative Catholic views who have a massive fucking problem. It's every single one of us. Unless you fancy winning a victory over yourself, and loving Big Brother.