Carolyn Farrow taken to police station

[ScreamingMeMe]

Long twitter thread here. She's had her electronic devices seized too, and has been accused of being certain posters on Kiwi Farms and Mumsnet

@BernardBlacksWineIceLolly and @BreakWindandFire sorry to tag you but she's been accused of being you!

We all know who this will be, but as Caroline says, please don't speculate/discuss them.

twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1577092705154666496?t=Cv7tRv3YdqIogpXT_MSwZQ&s=19

you seem pretty determined to paint Caroline as unhinged. Please stop it.

how the fuck does using "flipped out" equate to "unhinged?". It just means she got angry about it. It's quite a common phrase, it doesn't at all mean someone is unhinged.

Harassment

No, I don't think calling someone homophobic for their beliefs is harassment. If it is feel free to report me.

I said one thing in response to the anti gay marriage poster, and then others responded to me and asked questions, so if course I then replied back, that's how it works

Oh ffs.

I'm gay. Quite honestly not going to cry or meltdown or disintegrate, or dislike them, or judge them, or insist that someone is dehumanised because they have a problem with homosexuality. I'm going to shrug and go on my way.

Because I'm a bloody adult.

Capable of understanding that the end of WW2 came to conclusions on equality of treatment for all, including the ones you dislike. Even for the ones Not Like You. Even the ones with different colour, creed, name, class, sexuality, race, ability, even the absolute worst of criminals, for the very specific reason that this makes the dehumanisation that genocide and slavery is based on, impossible.

The police are arresting with political partiality - just try getting them to rush around to an intruder or a car theft, or like a local elderly man in my area beaten up by a mugger, left bleeding on the pavement, and three days later a copper hadn't shown up. But a meme? That's 'offensive'? (And you can freely threaten to rape and kill women, that's fine, there's only ONE group who get this kind of hyperactive policing and it's very, very bleeding obvious.)

How much exactly was wasted chasing THAT up? What crimes and calls went unanswered that day in order for this to happen?

But obviously what really matters in all this is dissing gay penguins.

I'm just over all the nonsense. The police don't work for vexatious complainers. We need to do everything we can to both protect ourselves, hold those to account who are responsible and remind the police of the law and their role.

I'm still toying with the idea of a petition on the parliament website too.

with all the hate the sin/love the sinner shit an all?
Honesty, I've never much understood how that works

Well no. Why would you understand how that works if you're not interested in theology?

Capable of understanding that the end of WW2 came to conclusions on equality of treatment for all, including the ones you dislike. Even for the ones Not Like You.

Where have I said she shouldn't be treated equally? Where have I said that what happened to her is fair? You are assuming that because I think she's homophobic that I somehow think what happened is fine and dandy, I've never once argued that. I just replied to a poster who said she is anti gay marriage and then other people responded so I responded back.

I hope you are okay Caroline. 💐I am sick of the police in this country. What a disgusting way to treat a mum in front of her children. Doesn't seem to be much evidence as well. Why are the police pandering to the person who can't be named? No rapes or assaults to be investigating?

bullies pick off the weak, those with no support

If there is any whiff of 'it's OK to do it to this person, they're fair game', that person gets a target painted on them

whatever Caroline thinks about anything, the police shouldn't be visiting her house and harassing her about some ridiculous internet meme

It's not OK to do that to anyone

I'm sorry this happened to you Caroline

SnapeAlways

Warrants are carried out when police need to enter an address to search for evidence (different to warrants of arrest). If the Officers felt there was enough evidence to arrest someone, then a Judge or Inspector is not going to authorise a warrant as the officers can use their powers of search under Section 32 of PACE to do a search during the time they make the arrest.

Searching people (I presume this was done in custody if your socks were searched and not a strip search or intimate search) is mandatory for all persons when they are brought to custody and put in a cell for any length of time where not all people can be monitored. I appreciate it may feel degrading, but there cannot be any exceptions. People arrested will bring all sorts of things into custody with them like drugs, weapons, items to hurt themselves etc..and all of these have been done. There is a duty of care to look after people while in custody.

bullies pick off the weak, those with no support

If there is any whiff of 'it's OK to do it to this person, they're fair game', that person gets a target painted on them

whatever Caroline thinks about anything, the police shouldn't be visiting her house and harassing her about some ridiculous internet meme

It's not OK to do that to anyone

This.

This kind of thing is terrifying. Those who are saying ‘but she’s right wing!’ etc- that is not a legally punishable offence. Who gets to decide what all the morally correct points of view are? What if a police officer took a dislike to your political opinions?

We live in a democracy. We do not (supposedly) live in a police state.

recently found myself sticking up for Toby Young,

Thoughts and prayers 🙏

@SnapeAlways - I'm so sorry you were put through this ordeal. The person subjecting you to this is just vile.

I've been thinking of you all day, Carolyn. I may not agree with you on some points, but I certainly agree that you should not have to have been dealt with like this.
It may be that out of this business, not necessarily via you, we may end up with one of those legal cases like Penn and Meade in London, or Wesley at Rolvenden which establish the way justice is performed, and makes its way into the law books, on the true side of history.

Derailing threads is against Talk guidelines, btw.
If you want to talk about theology and homosexuality, start a thread in the relevant section.

As well you all know, even though you pretend otherwise, this thread is about a specific incident of police treatment.

Snape 💐💐

These police officers are a disgrace to their uniforms. Best wishes to Caroline and am ready to contribute to any crowdfunders if necessary.

Funny how threads about women like Carolyn / KJK always attract a bedraggle of new posters with an axe to grind, flailing around frantically trying to derail the thread.
Advanced search is of course your friend - as is recognising posting styles or repeated attempted limp gotchas.

Just been reading Caroline’s thread after seeing James Dreyfus’ retweet of it. I am so angry this is still happening. The police don’t turn up to burglaries because they’re just so busy but are happy to harass women if they think they’re guilty of wrongthink. Utterly appalling. The way they treated her and her family! Just horrific.

@SnapeAlways

I don’t fully understand what was said or the reason for the arrest. However it’s kind of scary that freedom of speech is no longer protected.

Like I don’t agree with Caroline’s opinions, but I still think she should have that right to have different opinions. As long as she’s not being abusive or harassing an individual, and I can’t see anything to say she was.

I don’t really understand why this should be a police matter, must have been very frightening for her and her family. I actually feel quite sorry for Caroline and her family to have been through this horrible experience 💐

Even though I think that Caroline is anti-feminist, and I certaintly disagree with many of her beliefs, she is still a person who should not have had this happen to her. I am sorry for her and her children. I do so wish she wasn't campaigning to take away other women's rights because, as you can see, other women like us will support her in the face of injustice, no matter what.

We can support women against unlawful and unethical treatment without agreeing with their views, even while actively disagreeing. She has a right to these beliefs even if we may feel they don't align with women's rights in some areas.

She is entitled to not be harassed just as we are, even though plenty of people disagree with gender critical views, or even feminism in general. We can't just stand up for the women who say things we like.

And threatening to section someone who is feeling suicidal? When MN alone is full of really ill people who cannot get MH support.

The police do have to ask you if you are having suicidal thoughts before they release you. You are technically already under their duty if care at this point. As someone who has been sectioned before, you cannot say you feel like harming yourself and then get upset that they might section you for it, that's what they have to do. This officer clearly thought Caroline didn't really mean what she was saying, hence giving her time to rethink those words and only say then if she really meant it. Of course if she is a danger to herself, she would have to be sectioned in that situation.

Gah -- so many typos! Apologies, I have a slightly cracked screen!

The threshold for harm to self is pretty high for sectioning - you can absolutely cut or burn yourself a bit with no issue (as confirmed to me by both police and SS). IME, if the injury doesn't medically require a&e, institutions are unfussed.

Not sure on this. When I was sectioned it was after being arrested for breach of peace. They were taking me to the station and I started banging my head on the car. Not even that hard and certainly not causing me any harm. They said if I did it one more time, I'd get sectioned, and I did.

I fully agree with this ^

yup this.