Labour Party Conference

[MaMaLa321]

I know that there is a hell of a lot going on elsewhere, but what's happening with Gender Issues (for want of a better phrase) at Labour Party Conference?
Last year, it was an enormous issue, and the year before that. I'm assuming that Labour are forging ahead with Self-ID and hoping that voters are so desperate that they will put up with it.

Labour aren't the problem right now

This thread is about Labour, so that's what we're talking about.

www.lwn.org.uk/trans_inclusion_policy

'LWN’s rules state that we welcome all those who “self-define as women” into our membership and our women-only training and events, and this has always been our proud practice. LWN rejects all forms of transphobia, including intimidation, threats of violence and denial of trans identities. LWN believes women only spaces are an important part of women’s self-organisation, and we continue to organise events and conferences open to all women. We believe these discussions should be conducted in a sisterly and respectful way, and we call out abuse against women in public life wherever we see it as part of our #diffuseabuse campaign.'

Ah, there it is again. We believe in women's single sex spaces that also include males.

You are basing this on nothing as usual.

I am basing this on Jamie Wallis's history:
Software tech who ran numerous dodgy businesses including a Sugar Daddy website and a service to clear the records of paedophiles on the internet.
His numerous encounters with the police.
Trans widow and children.
The fact that he did not tell his constituents when running for election.
His "coming out statement".
His encouragement to children to trans early.

If it looks like a TRA and talks like a TRA, then it is probably a TRA. What are you basing your view that he's not a TRA on?

I'm aware that yet another man who committed sex offences against children was put into a women's prison this week. The Tories are lying to women.

I'm aware that yet another man who committed sex offences against children was put into a women's prison this week. The Tories are lying to women.

How we got here has been explained to you many, many, many times but you keep repeating the same inaccuracies. I think the Conservatives are trying to deal with the problem but we didn't get here overnight so it won't be fixed overnight.

But let's assume the Tories are actually lying to us, surely that means they know this is not a policy which would have widespread public support and so they are not willing to publicly endorse it.

Labour on the other hand....

proud of their progressiveness, whatever the cost.

A man who abused children was put into a woman's prison this week because of the Tory policy of Self ID and the Tory policies that allow predatory men into women's single sex spaces.

What is inaccurate about that?

The Tories are lying to women.

Fine, but how about starting a different thread about that? As this one is specifically about Labour's conference.

so you're not going to answer my point, preferring a dose of whattaboutery toobig

In order to be elected Labour have to offer policies that are more attractive to voters than those offered by Tories.

At the moment this does not seem to be the case on women's rights. The Tories may not be great but from what I can see, things would be worse under labour. This needs to be discussed. Especially by those posters who might like to see a Labour government next time round.

Tory sins are irrelevant on this thread. Unless the aim is to disrupt discussion and leave Labour in a weaker,possibly unelectable,position.

I'm a left leaning floating voter who is politically homeless.

Practically begging for a sensible, rational party to vote for.

A man who abused children was put into a woman's prison this week because of the Tory policy of Self ID

Apart from Teresa Mays statement in 2017 can you direct me to the evidence that self ID is a Tory policy? Its never been in an election manifesto and they have stated very clearly that they are no longer planning to reform the GRA to include self ID.

Labour, LibDems, Greens and SNP are still aggressively pushing self ID.

Lots of Conservative women have spoken out against self ID and gender ideology, can you show me the evidence their party has punished them in the same way as the Greens and SNP have punished their members and MSP's for refusing to toe the party line on self ID?

The Conservatives have back tracked on self ID as you well know, other parties are not. Whatever their failings in halting this mess the Tories are not promoting self ID. Any other party in power would make the current shit show law.

I do not apologise for my focus being on women losing their rights today. GC people being told to by Sussex police that saying that a predatory sex offender in a women's prison is a man, is Hate Speech, today, rather than a possible threat that may or may not come in 2 years time.

By which time it may not even matter, because our rights to single sex spaces will be gone because of the Tory government.

Karen Ingala Smith denied membership of the Labour Party. Counting Dead Woman is Karen's project, Jess Phillips reads the names of murdered women from a list compiled by Karen.

twitter.com/LabWomenDec/status/1574468074639691795?s=20&t=76LyygD9hf1inWjMEDSqbg

@TooBigForMyBoots
Can you not see that this is not just a domestic issue? The Conservative Party is not in power in the US, Canada or Australia - or Wales or Scotland for that matter. Will you please stop with 'It's the Tories, it's the Tories!'?

It would be more useful if you could come up with ways to address the issue within the Labour Party rather than trying to allocate blame. Many of us want to vote Labour but don't feel that we can with their current policies.

@FOJN government policy does not have to appear in the manifesto in order for it to be a policy. Similarly, policies written in a manifesto can be dropped by that party if they win the election. Are you in the UK?

It is a domestic issue. It is happening to UK women in the UK today. And it is happening to us because of the Tories who have been in power for the past 12 years.

It is not more useful to focus on something that may or may not happen 2 years down the line. The house is on fire now, there's a TRA ticking timebomb on the table and the Tories who launched this assault on our rights is doing nothing about it.

Again. The thread is to talk about the LP Conference.

What do you think about what they plan for self-id, TooBig?

I think Self ID is an abusers charter and will oppose it whoever. If we have to have that fight with Labour in 2 years, then I'll be there.

In the meantime it wouldn't matter if Labour renounced all their gender Woo tomorrow, they're not in power, there's nothing they can do. Only the Tories can sort this atm but they aren't and they're not doing anything and they're not going to.

The EHRC and the ECHR are two different organisations with similar(ish) goals and an unfortunately similar acronym with the same letters in a different order.
EHCR are the Equalities and Human Rights Commission - a UK based organisation who cover the UK ( sort of ) and clarified same sex spaces are OK if justified. They also did the Labour Anti-Semitism report.
ECHR are the Europen Court of Human Rights. Covers the whole of Europe. It has superiority over UK courts / national courts. The Tories are trying to leave this. These are the ones who say you can't deport a terrorist if he has a dog or a cat.

Only the Tories can sort this atm but they aren't and they're not doing anything and they're not going to.

Statements like that make it very obvious you are not arguing in good faith. You have been told about the actions the Tories have taken many times and yet you persist with this lie. Just stop.

Yes, this.

The tories are clearly ahead of labour on this issue, but if they can;t keep male sex offenders out of women's prisons today despite being in power for 12 years (IIRC) then they are spectacularly incompetent, so incompetent that the only people you can trust less are people like Keir Starmer who leads a party who pretty much have misogyny on page one of their manifesto.

No, I have been told what some Tories have said. They have done the sum total of fuck all.

What is your "good faith argument" in telling the women on this board that JW is not a TRA despite him being a textbook case @MangyInseam?

This thread is insane 😂