Woman walked in on in Primark changing room

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Poor girl, she supports mixed sex changing because "everyone feels included" but she recommends that lone females don't use it for their own safety.
Using a fitting room shouldn't be like walking home in the dark, if you need your wits about you then women have lost something.

This is heart breaking. She even says the Primark staff were great. How do we teach young girls righteous anger.

I saw that earlier and found it confusing.

If she supports unisex changing rooms so everyone's included, why is she upset? Men who want to take advantage are a subset of 'everyone'. This is literally what she supports.

What were Primark staff so good about? Apologising for letting men into a unisex changing room? Men and women is the whole point. No High Street store is going to have a member of staff manning, no pun, intended, each cubicle - and female staff are unlikely to stop a man behaving badly anyway.

I'm not convinced it's the full story, but hope I'm wrong.

Re-reading that, it sounds harsh on her which wasnt my intention. I'm annoyed at all the people who have told her to 'be kind' to the point that she's apologising/scared etc.

Exactly. It sounds like she’s conditioned to think she must make room as it’s the kind thing to do, but her experience has thrown her, confused her, and she is struggling to reconcile the invasion of privacy she endured. I feel for her. The comments on her TikTok are in the majority saying private women-only cubicles should be the norm.

Poor girl looked terrified, she was still glancing round.

The only way to guarantee your safety and privacy is to try clothes on at home. Sad but true.

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I don't understand.

She said I am all for it, I guess a part of her believes that. For her to then go on and say I would rather take clothes home then goes against this idea in her head that this idea of unisex changing rooms is 'all inclusive' when she has now been 'excluded'.

Some things just have to be left as they are.

Im really worried for the younger girls and kids who will be targeted in the changing rooms, there needs to be a changing room attendant there at least

Interesting, though not surprising, that Primark staff told her it had happened before. They’re opening themselves up to the possibility of a lawsuit by knowingly putting women at risk.

Poor girl. Part of me really hopes that Primark do get sued, but that would mean more women being harmed.

No, it's to have single sex changing rooms again.

She said she supports mixed sex changing rooms because she knows she will be denounced as transphobic if she doesn't. She has to do this public cognitive dissonance to avoid being cast out.

This is what trans ideology has done to young women.

I don't understand. Don't the cubicles have proper doors and latches? I thought those thick heavy curtains were a thing ofthe past?

I'm an exclusive online shopper and haven't been near a changing room for eons. I may be talking bollocks

No they don't have doors. They have curtains

As you say @Amrapaali you haven't been near a changing room in years

No sadly most places still have curtains and rainbows

I don't like the idea of mixed sex changing rooms or toilets to be honest.

I don't really know where it ends. Recently started to feel like we're all being gaslit into the idea there are more than 2 sexes. Which there biologically isn't.

I don't particularly care which category you put yourself in but I don't want to get changed or go to the toilet with men wandering around and I'm sure a lot of men would feel the same.

Stockholm syndrome...

Decent men do feel this way, yes. There are more decent men than we realise sometimes saying they do not want to be put in a position where their presence is alarming to women.
These policies make women and decent men uncomfortable.

This is heartbreaking, and I'm sure this is just one example amongst many of a young woman having to reconcile these conflicting feelings of "be kind" but "i don't feel safe". She says she is all for unisex changing rooms because "then everyone feels included", but doesn't understand that not feeling she can use a changing room on her own is excluding her as a woman. Her advice to others not to use the changing room on your own wasn't specifically aimed at women and girls, but statistically, it's women and girls who tend to be the victims and men and boys who tend to be the perpetrators.

When I was much much younger I remember a bloke trying to touch me up as he squeezed past me and I felt embarrassed and guilty so I apologised, because being touched up was my fault. That’s the message that was still hanging around in the 80s. That it was my fault he wanted to touch me up, by having a body he wanted to get his hands on.

this was very much an idea that was still hanging around back then, stinking the place up. Women are for touching. It’s your fault.

later, and after exposure to feminism and the idea women and girls were people in their own right I understand HE should’ve apologised to me. Or better yet, keep his hands to himself.

years later I thought we had amplified the message that we are not responsible for what men do- yet this young woman says she apologised when the men walked in. She said sorry for being there when they wanted to (as if her being there wasn’t the bloody reason they wanted in).

theres a whole loads of young women who are struggling to understand the motivation of men because they’ve been told equality is not assuming bad faith on the part of potential predators. Be kind, NAMALT, it’s your fault if a man walks in to your changing room, take a friend in or change at home.

The trouble is, in a unisex changing room (or toilet) this still allows men to install cameras.

I fully support unisex changing rooms but only when the doors are fully lockable like they are in unisex swimming changing rooms.

I'm sure we have all used changing rooms where the curtains don't fully close - I'm uncomfortable using them at the best of times but if there were men walking around I wouldn't use them.

This is an example of what sounds like cis (and I don't like using that term) men being asses. This isn't a trans issue.

We all know if a curtain is shut, the room is occupied. So you don't accidentally open them.

It kind of is a trans issue, what was the reason for unisex changing rooms?
Who needed to feel included?
The only acceptable way is a fixed door which covers floor to ceiling without gaps due to the number of men who have filmed or taken pictures under the door, then that wouldn't even be unisex, that would be individual changing rooms.

That's it, isn't it? 'Mixed sex' means 'women stay at home'.

This is an example of what sounds like cis (and I don't like using that term) men being asses. This isn't a trans issue.

That's precisely why we want boundaries around single sex spaces. By allowing unisex places, any male can come in, because predators will take advantage, whether they have a gender identity or not.