Positive Guardian article on LGBA v Mermaids

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Good positive article www.theguardian.com/society/2022/sep/14/lie-of-gender-identity-spurred-founding-of-lgb-alliance-court-told
Reassuring to see anything supportive of this position in the left wing media.

Wtf is going on at the guardian I mean it almost seems as if actual grown up journalists are back in charge

Or have they suddenly realised they were previously on the wrong side?

At last! An actual story rather than TRA propaganda (not sure there are any lesbians left reading the Guardian by now mind you)

"In evidence given earlier in the week Dr Belinda Bell, chair of the trustees of Mermaids, said it was implausible to suggest that gay children would embark on the difficult process of transitioning in response to homophobia, and noted that the vast majority of trans adults are not straight, so the process of transition could not accurately be described as gay conversion."

Back to the thorny issue of what she meant by the words "gay" and "straight"

I suspect someone at the Guardian woke up and smelled the bullshit. #Woke

A gay transwomen is not a lesbian. A gay transwomen is a homosexual man.

I love that the author is called Amelia Gentleman

Mermaids would say they were lesbians.

Is that true? I thought a lot of TW were heterosexual men, which is why they want to have sex with lesbians?

Well, it's true in her terms - those transwomen are "lesbians", not "straight". (Ie they are heterosexual in old money).

Belinda Bell said the vast majority of trans adults are not straight, so the process of transition could not accurately be described as gay conversion.

But if, as she’s saying, these people are gay, then surely becoming (legally) the other gender would be gay conversion? If gay men say they are straight women, then they have renounced being gay. If gay women say they are straight men, then they have renounced being gay.

Isn’t she making the opposite of the point she wants to make?

Or has my brain not woken up yet?

I have to assume that the mermaids witness here means that the vast majority of trans adults are attracted to the sex that they identify with rather than the one they were born to. if true (my understanding was always that trans women were disproportionately [compared with regular women] but mostly not attracted to the female sex) I can't help but feel this has some implication or other for female spaces.

Isn’t she making the opposite of the point she wants to make?

I think she's trying to dispute LGB Alliance's view that they're trying to LGB protect people from "transing the gay away" - thinking in particular of gay children. LGB Alliance asserting that the transition takes them from "gay" to "straight" in gender-terms.

Mermaids are countering that with "well, actually lots of 'trans' people are 'gay' post-transition", pointing at the heterosexual adult male transitioners.

Of course childhood "transitions" are not the same as adult male "transitions". Totally different cohorts with totally different motivations, and LGB Alliance isn't trying to represent the heterosexual adult male population.

Trans "umbrella" being used to obfuscate.

Classic Bailey and Blanchard article, although maybe a bit dated, and most of us know this, I think.

Gender dysphoria is not one thing

Thanks, Tinsel and Necessary. BB is just juggling with words. Why am I surprised?

LGB Alliance isn't trying to represent the heterosexual adult male population.

And neither should Mermaids be, tbh...

Yep, many of the older, cross dressing 'I have a lady penis' TIM are straight. But many of the confused growing cohort of Tavi children turn out to be gay.

It's confusing isn't it. One group looks like AGP, one group looks like vulnerable children.

Na. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say someone bothered to read the Cass report...

@RedToothBrush shame they didn't pay any attention when two Tavistock clinicians approached them with their concerns back in 2017. Think how many children have had irreversible surgeries since that time - and lest we forget, The Guardian has a young American readership too.

Maybe they've learned the Kids Company lesson. Sometimes people who say they want to help children are either really shit at it or really out for themselves

Remember guys it will not be the Guardian who is sued when this social experiment on children is found to be a lie and the lawsuits come rolling into the NHS. It will be us, the taxpayer.

I cancelled my subscription after their horrific coverage of the wi spa incident.
They incited violence against a black woman pointing out a predator in a setting with children present.

They did ZERO investigating and never retracted or corrected what they wrote when the truth came out.

Their privilege hierarchy was so blatantly clear at that point. Black women rank lower than deviant white men.

They will have to go waaaaaay further to get my money back

But still 'sex assigned at birth', I note.

It is not a “positive” article from the Guardian. It’s an article where they have reported the facts of the case and the words of the people spoken in court. It’s straight reporting. You know, journalism. It demonstrates how far the paper has fallen that it gets faint praise for not publishing a piece of Wi Spa-type propaganda on a gender issue for a change.

It only seems positive because when the words are straight reported in a case like this it’s pretty obvious how bonkers gender ideology sounds.

I read that as a negative article.

It goes straight in with 'founded to “prevent the dissemination of the lie of gender identity”'.

Rather than any of the heartfelt and careful description in court, that inflammatory statement is the one it highlights first - the one that calls other people's beliefs a lie. It's like saying a humanist charity was founded to prevent 'dissemination of the lie of religious belief', rather than a place to discuss for those without religion.

I don't like that the article gave Mermaids the last word.