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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I’m trans and I fully support JKR AND disagree with the eradication of womens spaces

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JPWG2450 · 14/09/2022 18:54

I may get flames for posting, here of all places, but have found there is just nowhere else to have this view.

I’ve lurked on MN for many years, occasionally post or contribute to threads, and I haven’t name changed. It’ll be a long one so please bear with me.

So, for background I’m a mid 30s female to male transsexual
began my transition at 18
have had full gender reassignment surgery and am considered for all intents and purposes ‘Male’

HOWEVER

i am fully aware that I have not, and cannot ‘change’ my sex.
I can (and have) cosmetically change my body to make it appear more masculine, but I’m fully aware that it’s still essentially a female body that has been surgically altered.

I can (and have) get my legally sex changed on paperwork, I can get a new birth certificate
but I’m aware that it doesn’t change my sex at birth, or on any document prior to the legal change
nor does it change my chromosomes or DNA

When I began my transition, the world wasn’t the woke place it is now, most trans people were much older than me, you couldn’t readily access gender identity services and most GPs hadn’t even heard of them.There was no provision for children to be diagnosed or treated for gender related issues. You quite rightly had to wait until you were an adult to make choices about your life/body.

Whilst I don’t regret my choices, and am far happier in my life. I also recognise that a lot of my childhood was traumatic, abusive and extremely stereotypical.
I do not rule out that had I been allowed to express the more ‘masculine’ aspects of my personality, I may have felt more comfortable in my own skin.

The world has changed however,
and though I sound ‘belong’ to the trans community, I do not.
for several reasons

  1. Because I no longer feel the need to label my gender, or sexuality,
  2. Because largely the trans community is toxic and if you don’t fit their narrow minded (ironic I know) view of what it means to be trans, you are unwelcome.

I did what I did, I changed my paperwork, I changed my body, i reinvented myself in to someone I felt more comfortable as, but I did it quietly, privately and without forcing my views down anyones throat.

Once I began to present as make, I stopped using female only spaces, because It wasn’t right for me to do so.
I could not demand to be validated as a man, and then chose the female aspects of life I preferred.

As someone who has been assaulted, both prior to and after my transition, I recognise everyone’s right to feel safe.
I recognise that in sexual terms, a trans woman with a penis is just as much of a threat as a man with a penis. Likewise, a trans man who has had surgery, or has had body altering hormones etc.

I do not believe single sex spaces should be eradicated, or that self identifying as another gender gives anyone the right to access spaces they otherwise would be denied access to.

i can understand that as a trans woman you may feel uncomfortable in a male space, as there will always be others who view you as a threat and attack,
I faced this myself prior to surgery when I felt unable to use female spaces but was concerned about my safety in male spaces

i chose to use alternative facilities, family or disabled changing, I chose to pee or change at home. I did not force myself or my opinions in to other peoples spaces.

i fully acknowledge that WOMEN menstruate.
not people
I menstruated, until I was given MALE hormones.
Saying that women menstruate, give birth, breastfeed etc, isn’t disrespectful or triggering it’s just a biological fact.

I use male pronouns, because legally my sex is male and if you saw me, you’d naturally use male pronouns.
I don’t announce them, I don’t demand anyone else use them,
nor do I demand to know anyone else’s.
i feel that it’s discriminatory to include pronouns on things like emails and name badges etc.
it implies that someone’s gender is relevant when I’m most cases it is not.

if I have a query with a company knowing the pronouns of the individual I’m communicating with doesn’t answer my questions or fix my problem.

What it does do is allow misogyny within organisations but allowing pronouns to dictate how someone is treated.

and finally, as a huge Harry Potter fan I’ve always loved JKR
so when I first started hearing that she has said trans people didn’t exist and she was transphobic etc etc

i didn’t post it all over social media, or. In my Harry Potter merch.
i READ what she had said.

and she was RIGHT
and in no way being homophobic, she literally acknowledged that genuine trans people were not who she was talking about.

Yes, There is a small percentage of people who are truly trans, have dysphasia etc, which after all is a mental illness.

but the vast majority now, are young boys who are effeminate, young women who are butch, they are gay, lesbian, bisexual, androgynous, abused, or unwell people (often children) who instead of being accepted and learning to accept themselves, or being treated and given support for genuine mental health issues, are being sold the lie that they are trans, non binary etc, that they are marginalised, and discriminated against

Theyre ‘coming out’ to fit in
Their normal bodily changes are being medically prevented because they prefer playing with Lego to barbie
Or they like ballet and not football so they must be trans, because changing their gender will solve all of their issues.

She was right to stand up for women
Right to say sex cannot be changed

Next, I heard ‘JKR wrote a book about a trans woman who kills women’
so I READ the book, which isn’t remotely about a murderous trans woman.
in fact her previous book did have a minor trans character, and she treated it very sensitively

Then recent ‘JRKs new book is about a woman who is persecuted and killed for being transphobic’

so guess what? I read that one too,
and transphobia is mentioned in passing once,
The murdered individual is actually said to be ableist, and that isn’t why they were killed.

I despair at the world we live in
im all for equality
But it isn’t equality to expect special treatment
it isn’t equality to eradicate someone else’s rights or safety in favour of your own

it isn’t equality to shove your beliefs in someone else’s face and then tell them they’re wrong because their beliefs differ

But
i can’t voice any of this
because if I don’t jump on the bandwagon and create uproar because someone’s ‘erasing my identity’ by stating facts,

Then my identity will be invalidated by the very community to which I am supposed to belong

OP posts:
PutinIsAWarCriminal · 14/09/2022 19:03

A very well written and interesting insight. As the mother of a daughter who struggles in a safe space to work out who she is, I can't imagine the difficulties you would have faced. The world is becoming a more tolerant place, thank goodness, but I worry about the damage that the vocal trans activists are doing to the lbgt community. I hope the world treats you with the dignity, respect and kindness that you deserve.

JamSandle · 14/09/2022 19:05

Thanks so much for your post. It's really refreshing to read and much appreciated. I'm glad you can voice it here. I feel quite grateful that you have the opinion you do, which is responsible, respectful and balanced.

ImherewithBoudica · 14/09/2022 19:05

Then my identity will be invalidated by the very community to which I am supposed to belong

The way TQ+ people who do not repeat the orthodoxy on command were treated by the TQ+ political lobby was one of the major things that first opened my eyes that things were.... shall we say, problematic?

Helleofabore · 14/09/2022 19:22

I may get flames for posting, here of all places, but have found there is just nowhere else to have this view.

Flamed by which people?

ScrollingLeaves · 14/09/2022 19:30

Thank you for taking the trouble to tell of your experience, and your views. It seems a pity you cannot speak of them openly among other people who are trans gender.

It is good to hear you are far happier in life, and am very sorry that childhood was traumatic and abusive, and also that your more masculine side was suppressed. Telling that here might help parents who are reading to allow their children to express femininity if they are a boy, or masculinity if they are a girl, without making them feel they are wrong in anyway.

I am so sorry too that you were assaulted both before and after your transition. I hope your feelings that you are happier now mean that you have been able to recover from this.

Perhaps some people reading here who think JKR needs to be hated on principle, will take heart from your example and read her books and remarks for themselves, and think for themselves, as you did even though you are a trans man.
As JKR had Dumbledore say,
It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends.

UWhatNow · 14/09/2022 19:31

JKR summed it up - (I paraphrase) wear what you want, call yourself what you want, love who you want but don’t deny sex is real. That’s what the bottom line is for most of here so you would never have been flamed. Most people have the utmost respect and compassion for trans people like you - they just don’t want to be sent to a gulag or given death threats for stating biological reality.

Fightingbackwithhappiness · 14/09/2022 19:34

Bravo 👏 I totally agree with you! ❤️

LavenderfortheBees · 14/09/2022 19:34

Very few people took issue with the 'old school' trans people who mostly transitioned due to severe distress and tended to just want to live their lives without a huge fuss, hopefully feeling more comfortable in their own skins.

Unfortunately for you, the current crop of activists claim to speak for the trans community at large and are doing you a huge disservice. When the spokespeople for the community are repeatedly shown to be aggressive and sometimes sexually predatory while demanding huge changes to how our society operates, it does the community at large zero favours.

TheClogLady · 14/09/2022 19:37

No flames from me.

Must be hard to realise you hold a gender critical position when you are already a fully transitioned person (in either direction).

Are you in touch with any of the other female transitioners who think similarly?

Mars, the 2 Aarons, Marcus The Offensive Tr*y & Buck Angel are the first few who spring to mind.

seems to me you could do with some solidarity from peers? I believe there is a growing community amongst material-reality-accepting trans people and some detrans people.

Madamecastafiore · 14/09/2022 19:37

I presume lots of female to male trans people feel as you do having not come from a starting point of male privilege. I'm sure if there was a disagreement about these sort of issues from your perspective you would go about arguing against any perceived wrongs in a different manner from your previous life experience and knowing and understanding the huge amount women stand to lose if the TWAW crew get their way.

Fernticket · 14/09/2022 19:47

OP, thank you for your thoughtful and very insightful post. I wish you all the very best for your future.

KentuckyDerbyandJoan · 14/09/2022 19:50

Thank you for your eloquent and insightful post OP. wishing you all the best.

FOJN · 14/09/2022 20:06

No flames from me either. Your experience is similar to the trans people I know. None of them confuse surgically altering their body with changing sex. They feel frustrated about how activists portray their cause.

I'm glad that your transition has given you some relief from gender dysphoria. I would like to see more research in this area to determine if such radical intervention is the most effective way to help people who experience gender dysphoria.

RaininSummer · 14/09/2022 20:12

I really appreciate the time it took you to write your post and admire your sensible take on it all. Such a shame that others don't actually think as you do or make the effort to do their research before making threats to JK. Wishing you well.

RadicalFern · 14/09/2022 20:16

Thank you for your thoughtful post, I really appreciate hearing your perspective.

Like other posters I am glad that your transition has given you some relief, and I wish you very happy in your life.

ThreeLocusts · 14/09/2022 21:08

Thanks OP. My daughter became depressed during lockdown and has now bought into the belief that she is depressed due to being trans. Voices like yours are important for her.

She already has a woman's body; I suspect that the shock of early-onset and rapid puberty contributed a lot to her depression. I am terrified that she will end up mutilating herself in pursuit of an illusory resolution.

She needs to hear dissenting voices, criticism from within the so-called trans community, to warn her off the group think. So thank you.

And I am sorry that you feel so isolated. You sound articulate and good at self-reflection, I hope you find a way to stick to your beliefs and retain the friends that count. All the best.

OperaStation · 14/09/2022 21:23

PutinIsAWarCriminal · 14/09/2022 19:03

A very well written and interesting insight. As the mother of a daughter who struggles in a safe space to work out who she is, I can't imagine the difficulties you would have faced. The world is becoming a more tolerant place, thank goodness, but I worry about the damage that the vocal trans activists are doing to the lbgt community. I hope the world treats you with the dignity, respect and kindness that you deserve.

Sadly I don’t think the world is becoming a more tolerant place. If it was we wouldn’t be so obsessed with gender stereotypes and labeling people who don’t fit the gender that typically matches their sex.

WarriorN · 14/09/2022 21:37

No flames here either, pull up a seat and have some gin GinSmile

I've had another transman tell me about how it's difficult for them to use female loos / they won't as their physical body usually look 'male' more easily than men look like women. And they know that this is intimidating.

It's why the whole thing is so very misogynistic. The males who think they can be females and claim rights to loos arrogantly really don't get it.

nocoolnamesleft · 14/09/2022 21:45

There does seem to be a school of thought that it is transphobic to be an old school realistic transsexual. Your post is well articulated and thoughtful. I hope you will not be flamed. I think you may actually discover that your views are not far from those of many on here, from a different direction.

MingeofDeath · 14/09/2022 21:56

Ooh you terf 😉. It is sane transpeople like you who get drowned out by the TRA lunacy which is a damn shame as there are probably more of you but want to stay away from the toxicity. Thanks for posting OP. Just a question though, has there been any particular thing that made you post ?

ChristinaXYZ · 14/09/2022 21:58

Thank you for your thoughtful post OP.

chilling19 · 14/09/2022 22:12

Last place you will get flamed - in fact the ONLY place you won't get flamed. Welcome.

JPWG2450 · 14/09/2022 22:17

@MingeofDeath
i’ve just finished reading The Ink Black Heart, then say the headline of ‘JRK New Book Just So Happens to Feature a Character Persecuted Over Transphobia‘

And it was just my breaking point. I brushed off the aftermath of her essay, and the few trans friends I had suddenly telling me she was denying their right to exist.
When she released Troubled Blood and I saw it was about ‘a trans woman who kills women’ I just rolled my eyes
but it’s getting ridiculous now.

OP posts:
MingeofDeath · 14/09/2022 22:23

Thankyou for your prompt reply.

AgnestaVipers · 14/09/2022 22:25

Thank you for your very sane and humane post. Really good to hear your experience and perspective.

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