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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Period dignity officer update

203 replies

BaileySharp · 06/09/2022 12:42

They've scrapped the role
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-62807683

Rather than appoint a woman they're just scrapping it

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hallouminatus · 06/09/2022 13:48

According to The National www.thenational.scot/news/20977675.jason-grant-quits-period-dignity-role-amid-criticism-appointing-man-post/, he wasn't sacked or made redundant; he quit, and following that, the position was scrapped.

RoyalCorgi · 06/09/2022 13:48

Sazzasez · 06/09/2022 13:07

Scrapped before the Freedom of Information request into the circumstances of the appointment gets answered, I suspect.

Astonishingly uncritical reporting here.

Presumably they still have to respond to the FOI request?

waterwitch · 06/09/2022 13:56

If things get changed just because of ‘threats and abuse’ doesn’t this just encourage threatening and abusive behaviour?

Sazzasez · 06/09/2022 18:49

@RoyalCorgi

i don’t know. FOIs sometimes get rejected because it would cost more to get the info than is deemed reasonable to spend on the issue.

i suspect they might argue that it’s no longer an issue as the post no longer exists.

i hope the woman who put in the FOI will update it?

ScholesPanda · 06/09/2022 19:11

I suspect that the role was no longer tenable. Even if it was re-advertised as only open to women, I wouldn't want it- it's been too afflicted by controversy, there could be more of that to come if the role is re-filled, people would be watching and waiting to pounce if you slipped up, that could reflect on you later in your career.
All that for £35k and a temporary contract in a very tight jobs market. No, thank you.
It should have been advertised as open to women only from the get-go, but too late now.

FannyCann · 06/09/2022 22:42

I think he's got a new job already. Interior designer.

twitter.com/soldbyjasonmuse/status/1565455388090273794?s=21&t=6Bv2TWnKgT0QHj8Zokj9Sw

FemaleAndLearning · 06/09/2022 22:56

The FOI response deadline is 15 September I believe, I was really looking forward to reading that. I hope it still goes through, if they don't I for one will be thinking it's a cover up of their appalling application and hiring process.
At least he has quit, but honestly why apply in the first place.

ArabellaScott · 06/09/2022 23:01

FOI has been responded do with unsurprising huge redactions of all the pertinent points:

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/period_dignity_regional_lead_off#incoming-2116368

as posted/discussed here:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4612399-dundee-man-leads-fight-against-period-poverty?page=19&reply=119795786

mumda · 06/09/2022 23:06

It was always a non job. So where's he going to work now?

FemaleAndLearning · 06/09/2022 23:15

We consider that some of the information you have requested, relating to numbers of applicants and interviewees is exempt from disclosure under Section 38 (1) (b) of FOISA, due to the low numbers involved

I wonder if that low number was one!

ArabellaScott · 06/09/2022 23:29

I think that's what several people are wondering, Female!

RhannionKPSS · 07/09/2022 00:54

He will go back to his real job, with his tail between his legs, as a fitness guru in a Dundee college, a job also given to him by a “ pal” ...

BellaAmorosa · 07/09/2022 07:35

HoofWankingSpangleCunt · 06/09/2022 12:47

Lily livered toe rags…. “abuse and threats” . Ffs.I bet they haven’t had 1% of the threats and abuse that are daily occurrences for the anti trans activists.

And I’m not even going to go into scrapping the role. That isn’t at all a logical decision, nor was the appointment of a male, but by the way that working group seems to be captured I’m not surprised

"anti-trans activists"?
@HoofWankingSpangleCunt, please give your head a wobble. Do you mean defenders of women's rights? Or anti-TRA/MRAs?

BellaAmorosa · 07/09/2022 07:44

@HoofWankingSpangleCunt
I sounded ruder than your (probably inadvertent) phrasing merited, but it really jumped out at me.

Helleofabore · 07/09/2022 07:53

I think any person using the term ‘anti-trans’ knows what they are doing, and why.

It is a deliberate choice.

FemaleAndLearning · 07/09/2022 08:59

Is Jason trans? If not why are they calling it anti trans there will still be period products in the men's toilets. Talk about grasping at straws.

Sazzasez · 07/09/2022 09:45

Looks like there were at least two FOIs.

One was into the circumstances of the appointment - out of how many candidates was he “best in a strong field”, for instance.

Turns out we cant be allowed to know because the number of candidates was too small & might reveal people’s identity.

Which sounds very much like there was just the one & we already know his name.

“The information... due to the low number of applicants, is exempted”

mobile.twitter.com/ForWomenScot/status/1567181544229421056

rogdmum · 07/09/2022 17:07

The story that keeps on giving: Jason is now going to take legal action. (Paywalled article)

What a completely avoidable mess this whole thing ended up being!

twitter.com/davieclegg/status/1567531895012921345?s=21&t=TcChQIueL9rbNaFC5n_lHA

FemaleAndLearning · 07/09/2022 17:12

Ooh I hope Tribunal Tweets gets to cover Jason's discrimination case. How can it be sex discrimination? Is he going to claim that he was harrasment because he was male and his employer should have protected him against this?

BellaAmorosa · 07/09/2022 17:34

@FemaleAndLearning
Interesting that he's considering legal action on sex discrimination grounds. I mean, he got the job in the first place and he wasn't sacked in order to give it to a woman - the role was scrapped. And in any case I thought he resigned? So perhaps constructive dismissal? But it was a public outcry about him being a man, not internal shenanigans, which made his job untenable - his employers and the panel who appointed him backed him publicly. If he was sacked, or felt he had no option but to resign because of the public reaction, it's tricky for him to argue that a woman would have been treated differently and the employers wouldn't have caved to public opinion, because there wouldn't have been public ridicule in that case - or at least only to the extent that people questioned the need for the role. I am very obviously not a lawyer, but a claim of victimisation or whichever ground covers "my-employers-exposed-me-to-public-ridicule" seems more appropriate to me than sex discrimination. Even there, although he might say that his employers should have foreseen the ridicule that would ensue if a man was appointed, arguably so should he have!
I do hope he continues with it, though. Could be fun and interesting court action.

FoggyCrumpet · 07/09/2022 17:55

Ooh. Will the circumstances of his interview and appointment come out at a tribunal? The very details that have been withheld from the FOI?
I might buy shares in popcorn. Grin

IcakethereforeIam · 07/09/2022 18:15

Perhaps, if there's a court case, some of the questions that weren't answered in the foi might come up. Or, perhaps they'll settle.

IcakethereforeIam · 07/09/2022 18:23

The Courier has quite a long tweet thread on this, and MN gets a mentionSmile!

twitter.com/thecourieruk/status/1560251451208876033?s=20&t=w1IS_5LhkiuaT7miuwTHqA

EfingNora · 07/09/2022 18:27

So many people saying how wrong it was to appoint a man to this role, particularly that they wouldn't want to discuss the menopause with a random man. You disappoint me ladies! Personally, I'd have taken the opportunity with gusto. After I'd finished telling him all about the sweats, flushes, memory lapses and uncontrollable rage he'd have resigned immediately! I might even have told him about that secret symptom of menopause. The one we never talk about... You know, the one where we are filled with lust for young men who take an interest in our problems. You just have to play the Benny Hill theme tune whilst imagining that last bit.