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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Third female prime minister

152 replies

Tallisker · 05/09/2022 12:41

Come on Labour, read the room

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CaptainBarbosa · 05/09/2022 17:50

I think if I squint and try really hard to seperate the "politics" out of this.

I am happy to see another female leader.

One thing to remember is young girls (I'm talking primary bottom end of secondary without political leanings/awareness of party politics) will now see a female leader of a country at home. Today's children are tomorrow's leaders and all that, and if one girl who happens to be labour leaning in her later years, who is confident, capable and intelligent begins a career in politics because of it, that's a good thing!

Now no, Liz is hardly an inspiring woman to us adults or anyone who can read a political manifesto, but much like young girls seeing female scientists, female police officers, female Dr's...it's a visible career/job role held by a woman.

So yes, I'm glad to see female leadership roles modelled.

I just have to bang my head on the kitchen counter to induce a hazy like feeling and put my fingers in my ears and go lalala to see the positives 🤣

Suedomin · 05/09/2022 17:52

None of them have been great role models or champions for women though.
I would rather have a PM with policies I agree with than one the same sex as me.

Suedomin · 05/09/2022 17:56

Ok couldn't care less about them 'knowing what a woman is' at this point than I do with them having decent health and education policies. I'm sure all the politicians know what women are, really, but they will all say whatever it takes to get women's votes
I completely agree Kemii would be a disaster for education.I was so pleased she didn't win.

Saynotothefishtank · 05/09/2022 17:58

The Conservatives who first voted Thatcher didn’t expect her to win, they were trying to send a warning to Heath about reduced support of his policy. They were shocked and worried when she got elected.

The Conservatives installed May as a ‘fall guy’ to do the crappy hard work of negotiating with the EU on Brexit, and then ditched her as soon as the deadline was near.

The Conservatives tend to see women as temporary placeholder leaders who are useful for unpleasant work while the party has an internal power struggle.

I wonder who Truss is a placeholder for. The papers are already saying Johnson 🤮 but that’s all they ever say cos you know they’re his buddies.

CaptainBarbosa · 05/09/2022 18:08

Suedomin · 05/09/2022 17:52

None of them have been great role models or champions for women though.
I would rather have a PM with policies I agree with than one the same sex as me.

But that's not what children see, they see the surface information, woman as prime minister that's about it. They don't really apply much more critical thinking than that 🤷🏻‍♀️

Malie · 05/09/2022 18:13

prepared101 · 05/09/2022 12:43

She was the best of a bad bunch- elected by the Conservative party not the general population.

She's just addressed Boris as her "friend". Don't hold your breath.

So she does what Churchill said and is ‘gracious in victory’ and this is the comment! Frankly I can’t understand your mentality! What she supposed to do in a public speech? Say ‘good riddance’?

Malie · 05/09/2022 18:15

I think we ought to give the woman a bit of time as she is not even PM yet. She hasn’t even started and people are dissing her already. Let’s see what she does first. She has an absolute mountain to climb in I do not envy anyone in that position. I first of all hope and pray she will put the right people around her. Interesting that the Tories have elected three women as leaders where the ‘radical’ liberal left haven’t even had one!

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/09/2022 18:17

It's good in an "If you can see it, you can be it" kind of way. But that's the only way. Thatcher was no friend to women and Theresa May introduced Self ID.

The press in the UK are complete cunts to left wing women, that combined with overt, covert and internalised misogyny would make it difficult for Labour to win with a woman at the helm.

GrouchyKiwi · 05/09/2022 19:06

CaptainBarbosa · 05/09/2022 18:08

But that's not what children see, they see the surface information, woman as prime minister that's about it. They don't really apply much more critical thinking than that 🤷🏻‍♀️

This reminds me of when my children were tiny (they're still small) and at one election my eldest asked me if men were allowed to vote. Grin

They'd never seen their father vote, since he did it on the way to work, and they always came with me when I cast my vote. This was at a time when we'd had a few votes close together up here in Scotland - Westminster, EU vote and Scottish Parliament.

Anyway. So yes, representation is important, even if it's not an amazing person in the role.

VicToryA · 05/09/2022 19:07

I couldn't give a toss whether she's a woman or a man or a donkey: she's the worse of two bad choices.

MangyInseam · 05/09/2022 19:08

girlmom21 · 05/09/2022 16:55

What makes you think that recognizing women's childcare labour isn't progressive?

Making it easier for women to stay home and look after the children isn't progressive.
It's going to lead to more women out of work for longer, therefore doing more menial jobs when they return to work due to lack of experience or up-do-date skills.

Except, presumably, for the women being paid for the menial work of looking after other people's children.

pattihews · 05/09/2022 19:09

I think it's quite clear that women are elected when things are so bad that no male politician wants to take it on. Thatcher — recession, union strife, unrest. May — the Brexit nightmare. And just as we go into a major recession, with Russia cutting off the gas and the lights going out, Truss.

Rishi will watch her crash and burn and step up next time round.

MangyInseam · 05/09/2022 19:13

pattihews · 05/09/2022 19:09

I think it's quite clear that women are elected when things are so bad that no male politician wants to take it on. Thatcher — recession, union strife, unrest. May — the Brexit nightmare. And just as we go into a major recession, with Russia cutting off the gas and the lights going out, Truss.

Rishi will watch her crash and burn and step up next time round.

How do you explain the fact that the candidates included more men than women, then?

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/09/2022 19:26

pattihews · 05/09/2022 19:09

I think it's quite clear that women are elected when things are so bad that no male politician wants to take it on. Thatcher — recession, union strife, unrest. May — the Brexit nightmare. And just as we go into a major recession, with Russia cutting off the gas and the lights going out, Truss.

Rishi will watch her crash and burn and step up next time round.

I agree. They bring in the solidly middle class women to deal with the mess left by the outgoing Etonian Hooray Henry.

PlanetNormal · 05/09/2022 19:30

I think it's quite clear that women are elected when things are so bad that no male politician wants to take it on.

No men apart from Sunak, you mean? Or Tugendhat, Zahawi, Javid, Hunt, Sahapps who all stood for election?

Malie · 05/09/2022 19:41

VicToryA · 05/09/2022 19:07

I couldn't give a toss whether she's a woman or a man or a donkey: she's the worse of two bad choices.

Have you looked at the Opposition? No comfort there!

beastlyslumber · 05/09/2022 20:00

PlanetNormal · 05/09/2022 19:30

I think it's quite clear that women are elected when things are so bad that no male politician wants to take it on.

No men apart from Sunak, you mean? Or Tugendhat, Zahawi, Javid, Hunt, Sahapps who all stood for election?

Exactly. It's such a load of sexist bollocks. Mind you, if Rishi had won, it would be the same comments about racial minorities.

The progressive left would only be happy with a white male in power.

AgnestaVipers · 05/09/2022 20:10

DrDinosaur · 05/09/2022 13:57

I think whoever is PM, the future looks pretty bleak. But while its a choice between a bleak future but retaining legal recognition of women, or erasing sex in favour of 'gender', I'll probably be voting Tory.
Until very recently I would NEVER have dreamed I'd ever consider voting Tory. I am a lifelong lefty who voted twice for Corbyn as Labour leader, and twice for him as PM, and he still is the politician whose views I most closely align with, on everything except women's rights.

This is me. To a tee.

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/09/2022 20:22

Aye, stick with the Tories. Jamie Wallace could be our 4th female PM!😂😂😂😱

ArabellaScott · 05/09/2022 20:25

Oof...

pattihews · 05/09/2022 20:27

beastlyslumber · 05/09/2022 20:00

Exactly. It's such a load of sexist bollocks. Mind you, if Rishi had won, it would be the same comments about racial minorities.

The progressive left would only be happy with a white male in power.

Sunk backed down and stopped fighting very quickly once the Times landed on Truss. He could have pushed it much harder. It's what Boris did with May.

pattihews · 05/09/2022 20:37

MangyInseam · 05/09/2022 19:13

How do you explain the fact that the candidates included more men than women, then?

Most of the men had very little hope. They were place-marking for another time. They're now, even if you've never heard of them, able to say they stood for leader in 2022. Men will always outnumber women in any leadership contest.

LK1972 · 05/09/2022 20:47

PinkFrogss · 05/09/2022 14:02

Another shit show tory prime minister, this one just happens to be female.

Male or female, they’ll continue sacrificing the poor to ensure the rich get richer.

Not sure the stats back you up there l equalitytrust.org.uk/how-has-inequality-changed

It appears the inequality widened under the last Labour government, but has been relatively stable in UK since the Tories came to power? (Please feel free to correct me, I may be misinterpreting the data!)

pattihews · 05/09/2022 20:56

That's really interesting. Thank you for posting the link. I'm constantly having to reassess what I thought I knew.

Musomama1 · 05/09/2022 21:03

girlmom21 · 05/09/2022 16:55

What makes you think that recognizing women's childcare labour isn't progressive?

Making it easier for women to stay home and look after the children isn't progressive.
It's going to lead to more women out of work for longer, therefore doing more menial jobs when they return to work due to lack of experience or up-do-date skills.

Wow. Could not disagree with this more. I tell you if women demanded that childcare was valued as the labour it truly is, we'd all be a lot better off. Some women want to be home with their kids whilst they are little. Why on earth that is a bad thing I'll never understand.