Parents with inconvenient truths about trans

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

This article was posted earlier today but the thread was deleted with the invitation to "feel free to discuss the article but avoid sweeping generalisations based on that"

The article raises all sorts of important questions about the nature of public discourse in relation to "trans" children and (according to the lesbian mother writer) details the hazards of social transitioning very young children which she now sees as "an intentional process of concretizing transgender identity in children as young as 3 years old - the age of the youngest child in this group. When identity is concretized at this young of age, children will grow up actually believing they are the opposite sex. How could medicalization not follow?"

I'm not sure if it's possible to discuss this powerful piece without drawing conclusions and there's evidently a lot of unease about the words of this lesbian parent being openly heard. Which perhaps makes it even more important to ensure a site "by parents, for parents" allows this important discussion? Maybe we can try another discussion and keep within the talk guidelines - or just have the freedom to read her words?

pitt.substack.com/p/true-believer

Thanks for reposting.

I arrived on the thread to find the deletion message. I think we do need to hear from parents who’ve been through this and changed their minds, God knows we hear enough from those at the start of this.

There's a really interesting conversation to be had here! I just wish I could remember what was aid on the original one!

It's an exceptionally important article. Makes for very uncomfortable reading.

This is such a heartbreaking article. Those who are trying to prevent it being read are despicable. As are those who comply with preventing it being read.

Much as I hate to say it, it's probably best to avoid discussing it here and just leave the link (and bump it up) every now and again as everyone should read it.

I hope one of the newspapers picks it up.

It has always struck me as incredibly regressive and old fashioned to assign everything into gender stereotype boxes, and then to use a person’s likes and dislikes, interests, passions hobbies, job etc to assign them into the box marked male or the one marked female.

Even if you can divide everything into ‘Boys’ Things’ and Girls’ Things’, surely no-one (or nearly no-one) fits perfectly into one box or the other. I have short hair, love watching rugby and road race cycling, almost never wear make up - clear,y ‘Boy’ box - but I never wear trousers, love skirts and pink, and my hobbies include embroidery, knitting and crochet - so ‘Girl’ box - and I am 100% sure that the vast majority of people are the same.

Wouldn't it be more progressive to tell every child - indeed every person - that they can wear, like, enjoy whatever they want, but that their choices don’t nail them into one box or the other? Isn’t a modern society one that tolerates and accepts men wearing skirts and make up, boys liking pink, sparkly things and playing with dolls, girls and women loving playing rugby and football, getting dirty, and living in jeans without telling them that their choices mean they were ‘born in the wrong body’ and need medication and surgery?

I saw a meme on FB that said “A woman is someone with a female body and any personality, not someone with a female personality and any body”, and this is the progressive view, imo.

I would think this section resonates with countless UK parents who are being pressurised to uncritically affirm their child's decision that they've been "born in the wrong body".
"we were also told that transgender identity takes a few years to develop in children. They told us that during this period, it is very important to protect the child's transgender identity, and therefore, you must eliminate contact with any family or friends who do not support this identity or go along with it."
Most of the trans guidelines (written for schools by self invested adults and queer theory pressure groups) signpost schools and children to social services to tackle parents who raise concerns about social contagion, safeguarding and the use of untested unevidenced medication on children's bodies.

Thanks for this. I've bookmarked the article and will read it thoroughly.

That's a very good suggestion Zerogravity. The article is so important for parents to read and reflect on. But very sad as it's from the discussions that we all learn and tease out the issues - especially in relation to our parenting.

Perhaps we can make a special effort not to engage with ploppers and stirrers? Seagulls and Sealions et al.

Perfectly put 💖

So despite their claim that social contagion doesn't exist, and you can't make someone trans if they're not 'really trans', they believe that you can make someone who is 'really trans' not trans if they aren't constantly affirmed.

It's all a bit inconsistent. Like everything else about gender ideology.

This is a really important article, and the writer is brave to admit to her mistakes. It was heartbreaking to read her realisation of how she was harming her children by doing what she thought was right "for the world". So sad. Thank goodness she came to her senses, and thank God she's been honest enough to share this.

I think people should bookmark this article. And read it.

Wow this is such an important piece. Im a social worker and the ways my colleagues and other professionals fall all over themselves to be socially “progressive” around gender, the way parents are patronized and sidelined and the cult like quality of it all makes me very alarmed.

At the nursery I work in we often make the kids line up in smaller groups to avoid a stampede to the outdoor play area. Sometimes we’ll say ‘if your name begins with A’ and do it by letter. Sometimes ‘if you are wearing wellies.’ Sometimes ‘if you are a boy please line up/if you are a girl.’

Inevitably no matter what you do Isaac will try to line up with the ‘if your name begins with A’ and Alice will go with her sandals to line up with the ‘if you are wearing wellies’ and Evie will line up with the ‘if you are a boy.‘ Because they are preschoolers. Their comprehension skills are still developing, their sense of self and identity is still fluid and often confused by their lack of understanding. So how on earth does it come to a 3 year old being sure they are born in the wrong body, when most of them don’t have a clue what day of the week it is at circle time?

It’s brave of her to admit she was wrong though - I think sometimes that’s the issue with this type of topic. People feel there’s no way to back down gracefully as it’s embarrassing. It reminds me of the movie Dogma if anyone’s seen that, where one character says he prefers ideas to beliefs because ideas are easy to change but beliefs become part of who you are so it’s difficult to change them as it feels like betraying your principles. I think a lot of people feel like that - if I change my mind am I still the same person? Type of thing.

This really replicated a family I knew well who trans-ed their pre-school child. They kept asking whether she felt like a girl or a boy, but when she'd answer "girl" (her real sex), they'd try again later. As soon as she said "boy" they were all over it, so much attention, so much the impression it was the right answer, didn't ask again.

They talk as if it was child led, to people who didn't know them before, like their DC came up with it out of nowhere, but they asked her all the time - it was insane.

Agreed Kanaloa . It's a hugely courageous article to write and her grief about what she may have done to her child is heartbreaking. And yes - we must enable people to step away from unthinking rigid positions - especially in relation to children. Despite my fury at so many educationists, medics and others for their lack of due diligence and inability to stand up to intimidating groups / individuals in relation to children's safety and wellbeing, what matters most is that we move back to a position where the welfare of the child is paramount, not the demands of political activists.

But mum!
Oh alright...

@SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius I really resonate with this. My child has completely taken the view that she's male and has now embarked on hormones, binding, etc. Whenever I looked at her growing up, I never thought 'boy'. I thought 'kick-ass girl.' I didn't have the vocabulary or the courage (she was self-harming, saying that I hated her - and her dad supported her) to keep pushing back.

“A woman is someone with a female body and any personality, not someone with a female personality and any body”,

I wish the trans brigade could see this.

Fantastic piece that deserves sharing widely. I admire their honesty. What a horrific mess we are creating with this stuff.