Labour Losing Women - Momentum blame Sir Keir

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Labour lost some 91,000 members in 2021 and ended the year with a financial deficit of more than £5 million, the party’s latest accounts show.

The accounts, published by the Electoral Commission, said Labour’s membership fell from 523,332 at the end of 2020 to 432,213 in a year.

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Didn’t they throw most of them out?

I left Labour. I can’t support a party that thinks I’m just an idea.

I don't know much about Momentum, other than they are unelected and are involved with steering the Labour party, but aren't they behind the pushing of TWAW and therefore controlling what the Labour MPs are saying?

I suppose to know whether this issue is the driver behind the loss of members, we'd need to see what a normal loss/gain is

Momentum can kid themselves all they like. Yes, anti semites and anti semite enablers have probably left Labour but that is nothing compared to the number of women they have lost because of the TRA nonsense

Momentum or rather Bromentum are the authoritarian bullies driving the identity agenda in Labour and alienating their more moderate voters. It's all sorts of confused and fucked up, god know what mental gymnastics the do to square their Marxism with identity politics. The oppressed and oppressor analysis is where the similarities between the two ideologies end.

Do we know what percentage are women?

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I left Labour. I can’t support a party that thinks I’m just an idea.

Same for me too. Gave up my membership a while ago because of this issue.

I also can’t believe how ineffective they were/are as an opposition…..the open goal/s are right in front of them! Just so disappointed overall.
I feel politically homeless with no one to vote for.

I'm desperate to support labour again - especially when I look at this awful government. My fury knows no bounds when I look at their toddler level discourse (TWAW) and open hounding and harassment of women in the party. I suspect they'll keep the sex data very quiet as the truth will be almost as embarrassing as their utterances about women's rights.

Bromentum cost the Labour Party the last election, didn't they?

I left Labour after Starmer sold women down the river conclusively by doing a video for P News. I couldn’t kid myself anymore that he does get it really and does care really and is just strategically avoiding the topic temporarily.

There are so many people in dire straits in this country, I find it scandalous that Labour continue to focus on identity politics and especially validating well off youngsters and grown men in their chosen special identities so they don’t have to come out closer to the oppressor end of the spectrum in the oppression Olympics.

I feel like at the moment Labour could be exploring the idea of renationalising energy for one thing! In reality though I suspect that national governments are restricted by international bodies in what they are able to do for their people. That being the case maybe Labour are so limited in what they could do economically if they ever get in power that identity politics is all they have left.

They are losing on two fronts. On the one hand lots of young people joined because they were excited by the Corbyn leadership. They will obviously be less enthused by Steer Calmer.

Then a lot of people concerned about the threat to women's rights will have left in despair. I imagine that will include people who are otherwise well disposed to the Starmer strategy ?

And what about Remainers? I suppose some might be having another look at Libdems. John Major once said ' If you leave two Tories in a room , after 20 minutes they'll be fighting about Europe '. But they are lucky - Labour seems to have an indefinite number of things to fight about.

Is there any point now in choosing political parties on the basis of remain or leave?

Which is to say, is that really going to influence the votes of many?

I seem to remember Momemtum hounding out a lot of GC women several years ago.

Have I got that wrong?

I find most momentum supporters are the types that would call us bigots for knowing what a woman is. I used to be a Labour member too but left over this.

As far as I'm concerned, this is DARVO from Momentum. They have contributed to a culture that made it impossible for Starmer to support women's rights, and are an authoritarian movement that made Labour unelectable.

The left will always say that Labours lack of success is due to betrayal and insufficient left wing purity.

That being the case maybe Labour are so limited in what they could do economically if they ever get in power that identity politics is all they have left.
That's a very interesting thought. I'm no economist but it would explain a lot.

This and other things like it is what got me thinking about.

“The GATS agreement has been criticized for tending to substitute the authority of national legislation and judiciary with that of a GATS Disputes Panel conducting closed hearings. WTO member-government spokespersons are obliged to dismiss such criticism because of prior commitment to perceived benefits of prevailing commercial principles of competition and 'liberalisation'.

While national governments have the option to exclude any specific service from liberalisation under GATS, they are also under pressure from international business interests to refrain from excluding any service "provided on a commercial basis". Important public utilities such as water and electricity most commonly involve purchase by consumers and are thus demonstrably "provided on a commercial basis". The same may be said of many health and education services which are sought to be 'exported' by some countries as profitable industries.[6]

This definition defines virtually any public service as being "provided on a commercial basis" and is already extending into such areas as police, the military, prisons, the justice system, public administration, and government. Over a fairly short time perspective, this could open up for the privatisation or marketisation of large parts, and possibly all, of what today are considered public services currently available for the whole population of a country as a social entitlement, to be restructured, marketised, contracted out to for-profit providers, and eventually fully privatised and available only to those who can pay for them. This process is currently far advanced in most countries, usually (and intentionally) without properly informing or consulting the public as to whether or not this is what they desire.”

Taken from the Wikipedia page on the Global Agreement on Trade in Services

Momentum made Labour unelectable. I suspect a lot of the people leaving were people who joined just to vote in the leadership election. And yes, women's rights too. I left the lib dems because of their position on women's rights.

Brexit is a voting issue for me. As are women's rights and the environment. Whichever party comes closest gets my vote. Currently not a hotly contested thing (as they're all a bit shit).

I can’t vote for any of them in good conscience. Doesn’t matter anyway, I live in a very safe seat.

But isn't this true of the Tories also. They have no realistic policies. So they may as well start a culture war?

I would if I was them.

You could argue that they are on the other side of this culture war so are involved.

But I am not sure the economic problem is the same for them. They, unlike Labour, don't make promises of a utopian nature, about economic structures or anything else really. You can argue their approaches could be better, and they may feel hemmed in by the electorate, but they can make changes taht might be meaningful.

Labour makes different kinds of claims about their approach to economics and social policy. Not least being that they are inherently more just, kinder, more empathetic, less selfish than the Tories. But in the end their economics are not that different, they are still part of the globalist economy, explicitly, international trading blocks, free trade, free movement of labour. Most of their left wing economic policies are long gone and not even Momentum had any plans to revisit them.

So where are they more just, more fair, kinder, how are they going to build the ideal society through policy? Id politics maybe?

*But isn't this true of the Tories also. They have no realistic policies. So they may as well start a culture war?

I would if I was them.*

Of course, why wouldn’t they use Labour’s obsession with identity politics to their advantage? Labour is handing it to them on a plate.

However I am not convinced that we quite have a culture war going on here in the UK. Not when you look at how extreme things are in the US and the strength of feeling on both sides there. We don’t really have the same level of division and polarisation in my opinion, not yet anyway, maybe we won’t get it. I don’t think either Labour or Conservatives are to blame for any rumblings of culture war here either. The US sneezes and we catch cold. Twitter, Facebook, etc provide the perfect environment for the proliferation of such “germs”.

Some of you might be interested in this campaign wesayenough.co.uk/