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Dundee man leads fight against period poverty

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PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 15/08/2022 21:52

“It’s about making people aware of the availability of period products for anyone of any gender, whenever they need it.

... '“I was chosen as the best person for the job and for me, it’s irrespective of gender.

“Having a guy can’t be a bad thing – it grabs the headlines, but that’s not the reason I was put into post!” Jason continues.

“For me it’s about driving the discussion from a young age so boys and girls are included and there’s no hiding it away because that keeps it as a taboo topic.

“I want to be seen as a positive male role model.”'

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/3593497/dundee-man-leading-period-poverty-fight-how-to-get-free-products/

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DameHelena · 17/08/2022 16:43

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 16:40

You’re quite welcome. Enjoy this photo of Priti Patel playing football at Wembley stadium.

What's your point now?
Oh actually, never mind, I'm failing to care.

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 16:44

Hoppinggreen · 17/08/2022 16:40

Because if a woman or girl needed advice at such an event he would probably have to go and fetch someone else. If a person who needed advice approached and saw a man a lot of them wouldn’t want to engage with him and might not access what they needed.
Thats aside from the fact that even if they were as happy to talk periods with a man as a woman, would he be able to give as much helpful advice? I doubt it
I am sure he’s a lovely man but there is nothing in his background that suggests he is remotely qualified for this job - he is a personal trainer ffs.
”ok, Sarah just do a few more reps but please make sure you are using the correct period products so you don’t bleed through your gym leggings”

Why are you assuming there’d only be women or girls at a large public events. And why couldn’t he give advice to any male attendees? Say one part of a big public event was “Periods and the Workplace” and some men wanted to ask questions about period leave and need advice on how to support women who need period leave as a colleague or line manager.

PeriodBro · 17/08/2022 16:44

Dudes, chill. It's all cool. I am called the Lead but I won't actually be Leading. It's all Management stuff, you wouldn't understand.

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 16:47

PeriodBro · 17/08/2022 16:44

Dudes, chill. It's all cool. I am called the Lead but I won't actually be Leading. It's all Management stuff, you wouldn't understand.

Come on now, his title is lead officer and it's a salary of 33k. If you look at comparable posts in the civil service you'll see why people who work in this sector are saying he's not leading the project.

It would be laughable for him to be in charge for that salary.

C8H10N4O2 · 17/08/2022 16:48

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 12:29

Probably with great care as we know the tobacco companies are very capable at keeping data secret.

Not sure that concealing and lying about data on health outcomes in the 60s is quite the example to inspire confidence in data handling.

There are a whole raft of decision points in building data governance, data management and analytical systems which are not conveniently governed by legislation or even qualified scrutiny or subject to freedom of information type requests but do affect our lives.

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 16:49

DameHelena · 17/08/2022 16:43

What's your point now?
Oh actually, never mind, I'm failing to care.

No point. Just saying you’re welcome as is appropriate when thanked for a “patronising explanation.” After all, as you say its hardly a personal attack to use the word 'patronising' and so you must mean it in a nice way. x

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 16:50

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 12:27

how will someone whose personal ethical framework includes promoting tobacco sales, deal with data handling of data captured by the periodapp which women and girls are supposed to use to order the products @C8H10N4O2

Working in a ethically dubious position isn't the same thing as not following legislation on data protection, and engaging in illegal behaviour. If you have concerns on the data science aspect of the Period Dignity Partnership, submit a FOI request.

I've had to work in jobs that don't align with my moral compass (i.e., starbucks, "big pharma"), because you don't always have the luxury of choice. Again, I think this is uncessary personal attacks, that just muddy the waters of getting valid concerns across.

You mentioned earlier on in the thread about his posts on the project - still really interested in reading - where are you looking?

As I said to you last time @C8H10N4O2 ............

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 16:52

C8H10N4O2 · 17/08/2022 16:48

Not sure that concealing and lying about data on health outcomes in the 60s is quite the example to inspire confidence in data handling.

There are a whole raft of decision points in building data governance, data management and analytical systems which are not conveniently governed by legislation or even qualified scrutiny or subject to freedom of information type requests but do affect our lives.

Sure it is when your desire as a period app user is that your period data be concealed and if even Jason is put under immense pressure, to know he’d lie rather than reveal your period data. It’s actually quite reassuring to know he’s well trained in the art of keeping vital health data secret. You can expect no leaks and that any moles would be quickly identified and neutralised. Your period data couldn’t be in safer hands imho.

PeriodBro · 17/08/2022 16:56

You can expect no leaks

BOOM BOOM

Cheers, Disco. Wink

MuchasSmoochas · 17/08/2022 16:58

I’m looking forward to him advising on best way to insert mooncup, I’m sure he will have a lot to add.

DameHelena · 17/08/2022 17:04

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 16:49

No point. Just saying you’re welcome as is appropriate when thanked for a “patronising explanation.” After all, as you say its hardly a personal attack to use the word 'patronising' and so you must mean it in a nice way. x

Yes, it is definitely not personal – I'd say it about anyone clueless or arrogant enough to presume that the rest of the poor idiots on here with whom they must consort don't have any grasp of how PR photos work.

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 17:04

Gosh feel it needs typing again but this scheme isn't asking for anyone's personal details. You don't need to download anything to get free products, and if you do download the app, all it does is tell you where you can access them.

Further down the line they'll be running interviews/events/questionnaires to get girls/womens opinions, but that's obviously entirely voluntary.

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 17:10

DameHelena · 17/08/2022 17:04

Yes, it is definitely not personal – I'd say it about anyone clueless or arrogant enough to presume that the rest of the poor idiots on here with whom they must consort don't have any grasp of how PR photos work.

Quite a few posters did not know and more posters arrive that don’t RTFT so miss the earlier times this has been explained. I don’t know why you thought a post directed at @Hoppinggreen was directed at you or felt the need to say what you did.

I don’t think it’s very nice for you to characterise these posters as “poor idiots on here with whom they must consort don't have any grasp of how PR photos work” Not everyone has the same public sector experience we do. Not knowing something doesn’t make them “idiots.”

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 17:11

DameHelena · 17/08/2022 17:04

Yes, it is definitely not personal – I'd say it about anyone clueless or arrogant enough to presume that the rest of the poor idiots on here with whom they must consort don't have any grasp of how PR photos work.

But all these posts have just been answering the question - if Jason won't be asking girls/women about their periods in his job, what's up with the photo?

If it was obvious, surely so many people wouldn't be saying it.

FWIW I don't think it was obvious, the press release has been incredibly poorly executed.

C8H10N4O2 · 17/08/2022 17:11

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 17:04

Gosh feel it needs typing again but this scheme isn't asking for anyone's personal details. You don't need to download anything to get free products, and if you do download the app, all it does is tell you where you can access them.

Further down the line they'll be running interviews/events/questionnaires to get girls/womens opinions, but that's obviously entirely voluntary.

Do you understand how analytics of this type of data works? (I'm not trying to be goady but these apps absolutely capture personal data - they need to in order to work - and that can be combined with other sources, sold or otherwise monetised).

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Discovereads · 17/08/2022 17:14

MuchasSmoochas · 17/08/2022 16:58

I’m looking forward to him advising on best way to insert mooncup, I’m sure he will have a lot to add.

I’m looking forward to him advising boys/men on how to preserve girls/women dignity when on their periods. After all it’s boys/men doing the stigmatising, discrimination and bullying of girls/women for having periods that strips away our dignity.

Thats got a lot more to do with his job title than how to shove something up your vagina.

picklemewalnuts · 17/08/2022 17:17

"as long as it is led and informed by women & experts."

Job title, Lead Officer.

Stupid PR photos are usually about the well known person proving they get out there and do stuff-
Famous MP sits on a saddle at a saddle factory to prove she does stuff. Well known MP kicks a football to show she's all an round good egg and was at the stadium doing work type stuff.

Not sure how this chap fits in?

DarkDayforMN · 17/08/2022 17:17

how to shove something up your vagina.

Someone else just as qualified to give mooncup advice as the Period Bro.

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 17:19

C8H10N4O2 · 17/08/2022 17:11

Do you understand how analytics of this type of data works? (I'm not trying to be goady but these apps absolutely capture personal data - they need to in order to work - and that can be combined with other sources, sold or otherwise monetised).

I

Yes, I'm a data scientist ;)

Please read up on how the app works and why you don't need to access the free products.

Misinformation spreads fast, women are justifiably terrified of having their menstrual cycle tracked, and all this can lead to individuals being too scared to benefit from a scheme which isn't designed to harvest their personal data.

Will I ever get that link from you about Jason's posts where he only talks about himself?

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 17:22

DarkDayforMN · 17/08/2022 17:17

how to shove something up your vagina.

Someone else just as qualified to give mooncup advice as the Period Bro.

True being as I cannot use a moon cup. Not all women can.

HermioneKipper · 17/08/2022 17:25

is He a doctor? That is the only possible reason a man should be in this post.

There is no way on Earth I’d have spoken to a man about my periods when I was younger. Nor would I do so now.

it’s an absolute disgrace.

frankly I’ve got concerns about why a grown man would want to talk to girls about their periods.

leafyygreens · 17/08/2022 17:28

HermioneKipper · 17/08/2022 17:25

is He a doctor? That is the only possible reason a man should be in this post.

There is no way on Earth I’d have spoken to a man about my periods when I was younger. Nor would I do so now.

it’s an absolute disgrace.

frankly I’ve got concerns about why a grown man would want to talk to girls about their periods.

Have a look at the job spec. It's been posted several times.

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 17:38

leafyygreens · 17/08/2022 17:28

Have a look at the job spec. It's been posted several times.

Yep, have a look at the job description.
www.myjobscotland.gov.uk/sites/default/files/job-attachments/2022/06/280621/Period%20Dignity%20Regional%20Lead%20Officer%20-%20Employment%20Information.docx

This is an admin project management role, not a healthcare service delivery role.

Hoppinggreen · 17/08/2022 17:44

Few things to pick out then (just to prove I did read it)

Outreach
Represent the project team
facilitating events
Engaging with young people
Engaging participants
Deliver the vision

Suggests that Jason will be allowed out of the office at some point

saltedcaramel1 · 17/08/2022 17:54

Hoppinggreen · 17/08/2022 17:44

Few things to pick out then (just to prove I did read it)

Outreach
Represent the project team
facilitating events
Engaging with young people
Engaging participants
Deliver the vision

Suggests that Jason will be allowed out of the office at some point

You do like misinterpreting @Hoppinggreen . No one said he "wouldn't be allowed out the office". They were just pointing out he isn't involved in giving health care advice or talking to girls (as you keep claiming).

Here it is again. Pasting words out of context isn't particularly helpful.

Accountabilities / Areas of Responsibility

  1. To develop and implement a project plan in collaboration with the educational institutions and Local Authorities.
  1. To deliver the vision, aspirations and transformations in awareness, engagement, culture and inclusiveness which underpins the Period Product Act.
2. Develop strong, positive working relationships with all members of the Working Group to gather localised information on a regular basis, ready to report and promote. 3. Coordinate marketing campaigns to raise awareness of our regional approach to eradicating period poverty, creating a strong and consistent media presence (social and traditional media) to normalise and make visible. 4. Coordinate the creation of a project landing page, gathering and providing all necessary information relating to the availability and location of products in our communities, associated activities and opportunities and links to nationwide information. 5. Provide support to the project team in identifying, developing and facilitating events and activities that engage our communities and young people, creating opportunities for learning, networking, and accessing free products, (with a particular focus on identifying barriers to access and reducing the stigma around menstruation and period products. 6. Represent the project team on all period poverty arrangements, processes and outcomes related to our regional activity with internal and external partners. 7. Develop and monitor milestones and timelines for the overall project and individual activities. 8. Report on a regular basis to the project team and key partners on progress, developments, and challenges including identification of any shortfall in provision and solutions 9. Work in different environments (both office based and outreach), at times best suited to the community (including some evenings). 10. Other duties as required or as determined through project developments. 11. Ensuring that all tasks are carried out in accordance with the College health and safety policy and procedures to maintain a safe working environment.
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