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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cathy Boardman - another lecturer treated badly

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JanieAllen · 14/08/2022 09:52

I am taking private HE institute BIMM Ltd to tribunal for unfair dismissal and discrimination
Essentially, I have been fired for doing my job, and for doing what management asked (not discussing trans issues in lectures). Having a focus on women in a lecture on sex and gender was deemed trans exclusionary and sparked a campaign against me by a small cohort of students.

I have also twice raised issues of sexism to staff; once around popular culture, once about a member of staff and a safeguarding concern.
Who even is this woman?
I am a woman, a mother, and a feminist, and until recently I taught cultural studies to music students. I care deeply about women’s rights, and believe that we cannot fight for our sex based rights if we cannot acknowledge that biological sex exists. This view is protected in law.
I don't think people should
be constrained by gendered expectations. Girls can play football (go Lionesses!), boys can play with dolls. I also empathise with those who feel that they don't fit in with society’s restrictive gender rules, as this is something I experience and would have likely identified as non-binary if I were a teenager today.
I am now 43 years old, a lesbian, proudly female, and the mother of beautiful sons (I am the only one who likes football).

OK, what did she do?
The job of a cultural studies lecturer is to encourage students to think. We present them with ideas, theories, and try to equip them with the skills to challenge these theories in an academically sound way. We ask them to critically evaluate what we loftily term ‘cultural texts’ (mainly music in this case, but also social media phenomena, hairstyles, fashion, mainstream media, etc.) in light of these theories, and - crucially - to create their own arguments, challenge these from various perspectives to form their own ideas, standpoints, and opinions. So far so standard academic practice right?
It is also important to define the terms we use. To this end I define the terms ‘sex’ and ‘gender’. I state that sex is biological, it is immutable, and that gender is the set of expectations associated with each sex (Harvard referenced of course). These expectations and norms change through time and place. I state this for clarity, as the words are often used interchangeably. I remind students throughout the year that any theoretical or potentially ambiguous terms they use in their essays should be clearly defined, and used consistently.
This had me branded transphobic. Students trawled through my Facebook, looking for fuel for the fire, and found a post in which I had said that I did not think it was fair that a biological male could compete in women’s weightlifting, but that women of colour were not allowed to use swimming caps designed for Afro hair. I did not call Hubbard a man, but a ‘biological male’, which is accurate.
Management had asked me to not discuss transgender issues with students, which I had not. In fact, it was not talking about this, but focussing on women, that led to the student campaign. Both the course leader and Principal said that our students were not intellectually equipped to deal with gender issues critically. I find that insulting to the students. Crowdfunders for students’ double mastectomies are endorsed by BIMM, yet those in charge do not believe that they are critically equipped to consider whether this is a good idea. Where is the duty of care, particularly as more and more detransitioners are coming forward, angry at having been let down by adults who should have been watching out for them?
Why is this important? I believe students should be able to think, and that limiting discussion is limiting them. Blocking critical thought is anti-education and a disservice to young people.
Another part of cultural studies is to pose questions. Towards the end of a session on sex and gender, the week after a lecture on race and racism, I asked students to consider blackface and drag. Why was one deemed as acceptable and one very much not? Students were invited to consider this, and other topics raised in the lecture, to discuss in seminars. There was not a great deal of interest, but some thought drag was sexist, one trans student said that drag was seen as transphobic, most did not have strong opinions either way. At the time I had not made my own mind up about it.
This, along with saying in the staff room a year later that I found drag sexist (not proselytising, I was asked about a drag show), was presented to me as part of my ‘perceived trans-exclusionary views’, when the Principal told me about the campaign in which a small group of students was ‘out to get’ me. He brought up the case of Kathleen Stock, who had suffered years of bullying and harassment, including death and rape threats. He stated clearly that if that happened to me, he and the organisation would not support me.
He refused to discuss what I had said, or explain why it was seen as trans exclusionary. The students waging the campaign were invited to talk to me so that I could hear their side, as was the staff member who complained. Nobody did, so I was in the Kafka-esque position of being told I had done something wrong and had to change, but with a refusal to tell me what or why.
Anything else?
Sadly yes. A student came to me who felt she could not access student support as the male member of staff allocated to support her was sharing naked videos and photos of himself on social media where he is linked to students. I made the deputy safeguarding lead aware of this, as I felt it was the right thing to do. I have been sacked, the student has been expelled. As far as I am aware, the man is still uploading sexual images, and still in post.
I do not have union support so have no choice but to crowdfund to pay my legal fees. BIMM’s treatment of me contravenes their own policies on bullying, harassment and victimisation, as well as academic freedom, freedom of speech and my protected beliefs under the Equality Act 2010.

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CathyBoardman · 01/09/2022 22:51

Bloody hell that went far too quickly.

I HAVE SO MUCH MORE TO SAY! 🤣

MattDillonsEyebrows · 01/09/2022 22:58

Just caught up with it on You Tube, you came across really well @CathyBoardman

You were very articulate and that was a great point about you'd rather be talking about it in a classroom than on tv!

FigRollsAlly · 01/09/2022 23:02

Well done Cathy. I don’t usually watch GB News but turned over to watch and I could see you were bursting with so much to say in a short time. I thought you did get a lot across and I was surprised and pleased that Dan Wootton didn’t interrupt in the way many interviewers do. It’s pathetic that Sky and BBC TV news are so scared of touching this subject matter.

Annigolden · 02/09/2022 00:07

I teach sociology to undergrads. I was teaching them about identity. Whether it was internal or imposed, getting them to explore ideas. I asked them to think about if a white person identifying themselves as black was same or different to a man identifying as a woman. They refused to consider it. It was shut down. I guess I was lucky to avoid a Kathleen Stock type of protest.

lesson for me….no room for debate or critical thinking. All very depressing.

CathyBoardman · 02/09/2022 01:46

Annigolden · 02/09/2022 00:07

I teach sociology to undergrads. I was teaching them about identity. Whether it was internal or imposed, getting them to explore ideas. I asked them to think about if a white person identifying themselves as black was same or different to a man identifying as a woman. They refused to consider it. It was shut down. I guess I was lucky to avoid a Kathleen Stock type of protest.

lesson for me….no room for debate or critical thinking. All very depressing.

This is the scary thing. Why not consider it? Surely the point of social sciences is to interrogate any assumption.

How do people know what they think without considering other points of view / why they might be wrong?

I constantly question my own views and assumptions. I think everyone should. You may realise why you thought that in the first place and have a stronger belief / argument, or (exciting!) you might change your mind.

But if anything is #NotADebate ... well everyone is in trouble.

CathyBoardman · 02/09/2022 01:53

FigRollsAlly · 01/09/2022 23:02

Well done Cathy. I don’t usually watch GB News but turned over to watch and I could see you were bursting with so much to say in a short time. I thought you did get a lot across and I was surprised and pleased that Dan Wootton didn’t interrupt in the way many interviewers do. It’s pathetic that Sky and BBC TV news are so scared of touching this subject matter.

Please rest assured that I'm not a GB News person either.

He did let me speak, and my mate phoned to take the Mickey out me interrupting him ('it's like the real thing'), but I wish I'd realised how tight we were running for time.

I want to discuss & not talk in sound bites but it turns out that ten minutes isn't very long!

Although I think that bolsters my argument that it's not possible to cover all issues relating to sex and gender in a one hour lecture (which is actually 50 minutes, and once admin 'are you all logged in with uni email for attendance etc means 40 minutes), and that focusing on one issue is not an insult to the people you are not talking about.

moofolk · 02/09/2022 20:25

m.youtube.com/watch?v=wLj1mT-Ac2E&feature=youtu.be

It's up on YouTube now.

JanieAllen · 04/10/2022 08:44

bumpette if you can get some veg to Cathy's alloment that would be good

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CathyBoardman · 15/10/2022 18:42

Hi all

Here is a link to a podcast episode I recorded with Julie Bindel a few weeks ago but has come out today.

My preliminary hearing is next month, but I'll be at Filia next weekend if anyone wants to catch up & say hi. I know there's a MN meet up planned so hopefully see a few of you there.

juliebindel.substack.com/p/cathy-boardman-another-inconvenient

CathyBoardman · 19/11/2022 11:38

Hello again Mumsnet!

Resurrecting this thread to let you know that the preliminary hearing is on Monday.

I'll know after that when the hearing proper will be, and will update then.

In the meantime I'm mainly on Twitter as @GrittyNorthern if anyone wants to follow the case.

The response has been overwhelmingly positive which is brilliant. Yes, that means help with gardening, but the words of support and encouragement have helped me keep in mind that I'm doing the right thing, and that fighting against the pernicious ideology which tries to silence women and quash critical thought is vital, and about much more than just me. So thank you.

I've given up on the idea of staying in education and am training to be a barber, specialising in womens short hair and cannot put into words what a relief it was to make that decision.

AutumnCrow · 19/11/2022 11:59

Hello, Cathy. Wishing you all the best for your preliminary hearing on Monday.

Do you know what to expect?

JanieAllen · 19/11/2022 11:59

Good luck on monday. Please everyone can we send some veg to allotment?

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Wavingnotdrown1ng · 19/11/2022 12:42

Good luck, Cathy. Thank you for being brave and speaking out for women and educators.

ArabellaScott · 19/11/2022 13:29

Sending you strength and calm and my best wishes, Cathy. Hope it all goes well next week.

CovertImage · 19/11/2022 15:40

DrBlackbird · 14/08/2022 22:34

I’m exactly wavering on this point. Feel that I want to support collective action, but deeply concerned about the official stance on this matter.

I didn't leave UCU immediately after the Stock incident because I'm sorry to say that I missed it at the time but left recently after further shite was posted by Jo Grady on Twitter - can't remember exactly what it was, probably something about "TERFs"

DrBlackbird · 19/11/2022 17:10

Incredible to have another committed lecturer leaving because no discussion or reasoned debate is permitted within HE in regards to this topic. In academia…

DrBlackbird · 19/11/2022 17:11

Im not on Twitter @CovertImage can you link the tweet here?

Brokendaughter · 19/11/2022 17:39

Varoty · 14/08/2022 10:02

Honestly if people are still dumb enough to speak about this publicly then they deserve the consequences. Everyone knows you have to keep quiet or the bullies will destroy your life. Also how were students able to access her Facebook? Again, stupid for not setting privacy on her account.

Victim blame often around here do you?

Women should be free to speak the truth & to safeguard anyone, of any age who needs it, not muzzled by fear of men.

CathyBoardman · 19/11/2022 23:12

Thanks everyone.

@AutumnCrow my solicitor has been through what to expect on Monday which is not much.

A date will be set for the main hearing, and the basic points of the case will be set.

Evidence, witnesses, etc., will be at the main one, not this week.

I have been told all is in order and not to worry, but I am concerned obviously. I will be so relieved to get it over with and know what's next but I fear that the next bit may be quite an ordeal.

One positive is that the bad thing (losing my job) has already happened, and so any threats are meaningless and I'm not afraid to speak out.

I've had loads of people who work in education thanking me for doing it, and cases seem to be going fairly well in general, so a big reason for me going through with it is so that we won't have to have too many more!

Solidarity! ❤️✊

CathyBoardman · 19/11/2022 23:23

@DrEllie to come back to the question of why UCU haven't supported me ...

As others on the thread have said, they have been pretty poor on this issue. There was a report that they had been looking for GC academics to create a blacklist. Times article about that below.

Members of the branch were supportive, and I can't say that they didn't support me, but the regional rep just kept bouncing my requests for legal support back. My feeling is that they were trying to filibuster as there is a time limit for employment tribunal, and while they didn't out and out refuse to help, they didn't help.

This was very frustrating especially as I had been active in the union.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0ef73904-18ab-11ed-b4a0-f11f082a3a3c?shareToken=4bdf6f4f96e07b83fceeb5512fbe7c84

moofolk · 29/01/2023 14:41

A fundraiser for Cathy has been cancelled after complaints to the venue.

FigRollsAlly · 29/01/2023 15:57

Bastards!

JanieAllen · 29/01/2023 16:20

Bastards ! reminder Cathy has an allotment

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JKRfan · 29/01/2023 20:01

Have just done some digging.

HagoftheNorth · 29/01/2023 20:11

Can you say where the venue was?

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