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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What are you playing at ASOS?

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kateluvscats · 09/08/2022 12:21

www.asos.com/asos-design/asos-design-heeled-boots-in-black-stretchy-leather/prd/202004069

OP posts:
IcakethereforeIam · 09/08/2022 18:11

I agree, all blokes should wear those types of heels. We can hear them behind us and it'll give us better odds if we have to run from them.

hedgehogger1 · 09/08/2022 18:27

I'm a size 9. Sadly I won't benefit from places selling larger sizes as they always make them wider when they make them longer and my feet are really narrow

waterbabys · 09/08/2022 18:49

Men can wear whatever they like OP! The fact that you haven't been back to defend your post makes me think you have posted in bad faith to try and get screen shots for twitter?

WarriorN · 09/08/2022 18:50

Seems to be quite a lot in the larger sizes and modelled by men.

Hopefully the Harry styles effect!

What are you playing at ASOS?
Horoscopegubbins · 09/08/2022 18:55

Since when is a 6 a 'big' size? It's pretty average I would have thought.

JellySaurus · 09/08/2022 19:00

WarriorN · 09/08/2022 18:50

Seems to be quite a lot in the larger sizes and modelled by men.

Hopefully the Harry styles effect!

Most of those shoes I'd consider to have been originally men's styles anyway.

glamourousindierockandroll · 09/08/2022 19:07

I like that the model has hairy legs and isn't wearing a suggestive skirt or a "feminine" top.

Good for them. Men and women can wear what they like.

Gsuwjsi · 09/08/2022 19:07

First thought. Outfit flows quite nicely.
Second thought. Damn those shoes look uncomfortable.
Third thought. That's an unfortunate upskirting angle.
Final thought. Great if men want to wear heels as long as they don't think they can change sex . Personally I think they are crazy as they are so uncomfortable and post lockdown have been ditched by most women.

ThickCutSteakChips · 09/08/2022 19:07

Yes, I have no problem with this at all. It's not sexualised, or a caricature of women, it's just a bloke in a skirt.

There would be a problem if the description implied that these boots were for transwomen or non-binary etc but as far as I can see its a man (with rather nice legs) in some heeled boots.

I agree that more blokes should wear heels like this, it would keep women a little bit safer!

BaronessBomburst · 09/08/2022 20:34

Great post and very interesting. @FireFlyBoogaloo Thank you.

ScrollingLeaves · 09/08/2022 22:09

Is it now sacrilege to think stereotypes might generally serve a perfectly useful purpose by and large? Maybe there is a reason why by and large, within the various cultures, men and women seem to go in for dressing differently?

Sexual attraction can be increased by a sense of difference and that is probably why.

Sometimes dressing a woman dressing like a man has the precise purpose of highlighting femininity by contrast. Maybe it sometimes works the other way round ( I can see it more in the to me slightly more feminine decorated Renaissance style men, or male ballet dancers).

Generally men’s clothes are more comfortable, safer for certain activities, and better made than women’s. Less so the other way round.

I think the idea that there should be no social difference between men and women, that any separation of roles is false, does not exactly translate into it being true that any outward expression of their differences is somehow false too.

But I get the idea, wear what you want.

ScrollingLeaves · 09/08/2022 22:25

FireFlyBugaloo
Excerpt from your post which I found particularly interesting:

I feel like we took two steps away from this idea around the 60s-80s, when every other male popstar was wearing makeup and women were rocking dungarees, and have since taken a step back toward the idea that there's something "wrong" with people who have a preference for more masculine or feminine ways of dressing.

High heels for men were fairly common in the early 17th century, as were brightly colored clothes, wigs, tight-fitting breeches (leggings), makeup and other adornments. For a multitude of reasons, including enlightenment ideals and the need in France for people to disassociate themselves from the royals for fear of being attacked by Jacobins during the revolution, men's clothing became far more muted and boring in the 18th century. Included in the transformation of male fashion was the strong undertone that men were practical and utilitarian while women, who kept their colours, adornments, wigs and makeup, were frivolous and emotional. Look up "The Great Male Renunciation" (GMR).

There was even a movement - the Men's Dress Reform Party formed after WWI. One of its founders, John Flugel, a psychologist, opined that the GMR was when men "abandoned their claim to be considered beautiful" and "henceforth aimed at being only useful".

Poor men, I had not heard of that before but it rings true. On the whole poorer men could never have quite reached the decorative heights of Louis XIV types but they did look more beautiful in those clothes. Nevertheless, men still dressed differently from women except am I right in thinking Chinese trousers and jackets worn by Chinese peasants were the same, and almost like a uniform?

youkiddingme · 09/08/2022 22:26

The boots are not my taste on a woman or a man but I see no reason for anyone not to wear them. The more 'normal' shops do this the more acceptable it will be for everyone to wear whatever they like, surely. It's time the stereotypes went in the bin imo. And as for needing the difference to fuel sexual attraction, how do all us 'non-feminine' dressing women get laid? (usually not that difficult). I guess there will be plenty of women who won't find a man in heels and a skirt attractive, because it seems unusual. And perhaps because, atm, it is mentally linked to trans ideology and drag queens for a lot of people - as these have had so much press. But as others have said, back in the 70s/80s there were plenty of gender-bending males and I certainly fancied a fair few of them. I think the more normalised it is the more people will adjust.

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ScrollingLeaves · 09/08/2022 22:39

youkiddingme
But as others have said, back in the 70s/80s there were plenty of gender-bending males
I can’t think of any that were not emphasising they were male. There was satin, and eye makeup, and long hair, but also very tight trousers, to make sure everyone knew they were men. I think it was more just what Bugaloo was talking about in that they were creating themselves as something beautiful rather than somber, and useful.

deeperthanallroses · 10/08/2022 04:15

ScrollingLeaves · 09/08/2022 22:39

youkiddingme
But as others have said, back in the 70s/80s there were plenty of gender-bending males
I can’t think of any that were not emphasising they were male. There was satin, and eye makeup, and long hair, but also very tight trousers, to make sure everyone knew they were men. I think it was more just what Bugaloo was talking about in that they were creating themselves as something beautiful rather than somber, and useful.

That is ‘gender bending’ really though. you make it sound like they were trying to be sex bending. They wanted to look male in an ornate decorative way. And amen to that I say- let them all dress however they want and if that’s sequin skirts that’s ok.

babyrocket · 10/08/2022 04:19

I have size 10 feet as a 6" woman and would consider buying something like this, if I liked the style (which in this case I don't). The fact that it's a male model doesn't put me off. I already have to buy mens shoes.

70billionthnamechange · 10/08/2022 04:27

Didn't get the reaction you wanted from this one? Lols. I like these responses, for this board

allthebikes · 10/08/2022 05:09

I also have absolutely no problem with this. People should be free to wear whatever they want.
Don't be so judgemental.
It's when things infringe on women's rights is when I have a problem.

SallySailor · 10/08/2022 05:49

Men in heels - great! They're most welcome to them. I'll keep my trainers thanks 😁

ClaudineClare · 10/08/2022 05:54

Men in heels is nothing new men in dresses is nothing new. I am all for people wearing what they want and genderless clothing. Those boot heels look a bit spindly though, I would worry they might snap on bigger men.

What are you playing at ASOS?
What are you playing at ASOS?
sjxoxo · 10/08/2022 05:58

I don’t find this offensive but I do think it’s odd! Ok if it’s for women why not use a female model, if it’s for men ok use a male model but then in a skirt..? I know that’s not particularly radical but I do find it a bit odd. X

Namerchangerextraordinaire · 10/08/2022 05:59

They are mens shoes in the mens section, what is the issue?

I think they are ugly because I'm not keen on the really pointy toes, but some people love them.

If men want to develop the chicken drumstick look you get wearing heels, they are more than welcome.

ArcticSkewer · 10/08/2022 07:05

It is irritating though that shoes are never available in larger sizes for women. It's got worse not better with magical thinking around numbers. An old 7.5 is now marketed as an 8. Women are expected to not complain and put up with it.
It would probably do me a lot of favours if more men started wearing 'women' type shoes - better quality, better prices, bigger sizes.
Ideally they would start liking very low heels/flats though

Yorkshirelass04 · 10/08/2022 07:20

It doesn't end there

What about these bad boys

www.asos.com/prd/202686960?acquisitionsource=pasteboard

If you are a woman size 3-5 you can't buy them, they only start at size 6.

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