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Just when I thought Academia couldn't sink any lower.

337 replies

Imnobody4 · 08/08/2022 16:40

Not just a PhD in wanking, but a peer-reviewed paper on masturbating to images of young boys. Published in "Qualitative Methods". t.co/L3MnSkYQFN

twitter.com/ProfAliceS/status/1556584749447143425?t=v_5NNIZDXKNzFbMBZxWsfQ&s=19

How did this get past Manchester University's ethics process @OfficialUoM ? Masturbating to images of children and writing it up for public consumption does not seem ethical to me. This is hugely disturbing.

Actually I'm speechless.

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foliageeverywhere · 19/08/2022 16:42

PeriodBro · 19/08/2022 16:40

Surely a police investigation is ongoing?

The university hasn't mentioned it, nothing from the Manchester police either AFAIA.

(If I've missed something please let me know!)

AlisonDonut · 19/08/2022 16:56

It will be on the dusty Jess Bradley shelf. The one right at the back of the office where nobody goes.

I see that exposing HER penis at HER desk and taking photos of it and posting it online, didn't stop HER from becoming a Director of a Manchester Community Grants company. It seems anything goes these days.

LaughingPriest · 22/08/2022 16:57

The Times Higher continues to write about this:
www.timeshighereducation.com/news/masturbation-journal-paper-exposes-deeper-problems-research

Linked in the article are tons of other articles, including the old Vice interview from 2012 and a more recent one, plus this Twitter thread:

twitter.com/madjane_/status/1557227882308665345

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 22/08/2022 17:28

AlisonDonut · 19/08/2022 16:56

It will be on the dusty Jess Bradley shelf. The one right at the back of the office where nobody goes.

I see that exposing HER penis at HER desk and taking photos of it and posting it online, didn't stop HER from becoming a Director of a Manchester Community Grants company. It seems anything goes these days.

I have to admit that I'd missed that development. Is it feasible to give a hint about the grant awarding body?

PeriodBro · 22/08/2022 17:51

twitter.com/madjane_/status/1557295894428413954

This thread, maybe?

nettie434 · 22/08/2022 20:25

Thanks for that link to the THES article, LaughingPriest. Like many of the posts on this thread, it questions the culture that allowed this article to be published.

SarahProblem · 23/08/2022 11:24

Apparently he's been suspended 'pending investigation'.

foliageeverywhere · 23/08/2022 11:35

SarahProblem · 23/08/2022 11:24

Apparently he's been suspended 'pending investigation'.

Do you have a link?

He's not an employee, he's a student, so I wasn't sure if a temporary suspension was possible.

SarahProblem · 23/08/2022 11:52

I've only been told by someone who works there, there's an internal memo about it. I'll see if I can get the wording.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 23/08/2022 11:53

SarahProblem · 23/08/2022 11:24

Apparently he's been suspended 'pending investigation'.

Brunel pistol PhD student Andrea Cachia was 'under investigation' and all this time later, still has a Twitter account and the university hasn't been forthcoming about whether it lifted the suspension. It's not clear whether there was ever an outcome from the Met Police investigation.

mrchristyjones.substack.com/p/the-utter-minefield-that-is-trans

lilymaynard.com/the-curious-case-of-marion-millar/

KittenKong · 23/08/2022 11:59

They always seem to only get ‘investigated’ when they go waaaaay too far - and then it still sounds like a ‘We hate to have to say this, but could you please please tone it down a tad? You know how these hysterical women can be, and they might be nasty to you. Best keep your head down for a little while - if that’s ok - and it will all just go away. Sorry if we hurt your feelings but we don’t want you getting any nasty women chasing you, do we? Thank you so much.’

Because people don’t seem to be canned for certain outrageous behaviour - even if the police are called.

RoyalCorgi · 23/08/2022 12:13

AlisonDonut · 19/08/2022 16:56

It will be on the dusty Jess Bradley shelf. The one right at the back of the office where nobody goes.

I see that exposing HER penis at HER desk and taking photos of it and posting it online, didn't stop HER from becoming a Director of a Manchester Community Grants company. It seems anything goes these days.

Wow, I'd wondered what happened to Jess Bradley. This must be her:

find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/zYCaABZcWVpOFCS_OkA9x7mznMo/appointments

PoisonCrystal · 23/08/2022 12:27

That Andrea Cachia twitter account only seems to tweet a link (automatically? twice a day) to a go fund me page that is no longer accepting payments.

foliageeverywhere · 23/08/2022 12:34

Ah there is an update. The retraction notice has been published on the journal's website.

The bolded bit is important - seems Manchester were completely unaware of this publication. I imagine he'll be in serious trouble for linking it to their university without approval.

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Having reviewed editorial and peer review processes in relation to this note, the Journal Editors have concluded that there was a lack of clarity and hence ethical scrutiny at the time of the initial submission. This was particularly so in relation to institutional location and position, and ethical review of the work. While the Journal has systems in place to flag ethical concerns raised by article submissions prior to review, those same systems do not fully extend to note submissions. The two peer reviewers who considered the note did not raise ethical concerns in relation to the method and material in their reviews.

The author has now explained that the work described in this note was carried out as a piece of independent research in Germany, without institutional ethical oversight. The author stated that they followed professional ethical guidelines for their discipline, including the primary injunction to ‘do no harm’. The Editorial Team notes that such principles also refer to the need for the thoughtful consideration of potential unintended consequences of research, and the need to weigh competing ethical obligations.

The Editors are mindful of arguments that moral offense generated by the publication of the note provides problematic grounds for the censoring of scholarship. However, the Editorial Team recognises the argument that the note legitimizes sexual activity involving sexually graphic illustrated images of children and young people, both as an activity in itself and as a research method. Such arguments make the note highly problematic due to the potential to cause significant harm.

The Journal Editors believe ethical conduct and oversight in relation to research, method, methodology and publication is not a single event, but an ongoing process with shared and overlapping responsibilities between the author, the academic institution(s), the journal, and the publisher. On reflection, due to the potential for significant harm caused by the publication of this work compounded by ethical issues surrounding the conception and design, the Journal Editors have made the decision to retract and remove the note.
The Journal Editors and the Publisher sincerely apologise to readers who were negatively impacted by the publication of this work.

foliageeverywhere · 23/08/2022 12:36

journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/14687941221122713

LunaLights · 23/08/2022 12:42

The two peer reviewers who considered the note did not raise ethical concerns in relation to the method and material in their reviews.

So, who were the reviewers, and what possible reason could they have for not raising any ethical concerns in their reviews? Perhaps their hard drives need checking as well…

AlisonDonut · 23/08/2022 12:54

RoyalCorgi · 23/08/2022 12:13

Wow, I'd wondered what happened to Jess Bradley. This must be her:

find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/zYCaABZcWVpOFCS_OkA9x7mznMo/appointments

Imagine that interview...

'Can you tell us about a time when you made a mistake at work, what was the mistake and how did you handle the fall out?'

Erm, well I got my lady dique out and'

'Enough - you're hired!'

PeriodBro · 23/08/2022 14:33

moral offense? problematic? It's fucking illegal!

PeriodBro · 23/08/2022 14:35

The proper response was not 'ooh, sorry we upset some of you', it should have been 'this has been passed to the police'.

Fladdermus · 23/08/2022 14:58

From what I've read his get out of jail card is the fact that he did it in Germany. Appantly cartoon drawings of child abuse are not illegal there.

1blossomtree · 23/08/2022 15:05

Fladdermus · 23/08/2022 14:58

From what I've read his get out of jail card is the fact that he did it in Germany. Appantly cartoon drawings of child abuse are not illegal there.

Ugh I didn't know that. Do you have a link?

Fladdermus · 23/08/2022 15:14

I can't find the article I read but this American law article confirms it (last line of the section 'What is Lolicon')

www.robertmhelfend.com/criminal-defense/sex-crimes/lolicon-illegal/#:~:text=Noting%20the%20connection%20to%20sex,do%20not%20depict%20actual%20children.

endofline · 23/08/2022 15:16

Yeah. Not buying it. There are still serious concerns about the culture in qualitative research in academia (and wider). Two peer reviewers saw nothing wrong with this, presumably the editor and no-one in the publication process did either (surely someone other than the peer reviewers were aware of the content of this piece ) and nor, apparently, did anyone in the research community who read that article in the months it was published.

Trying to pretend this was just a failure of two numpty peer reviewers is unconvincing.

The culture that led to this article being deemed suitable for publication is what needs investigating and addressing, not the process.

DueNov22 · 23/08/2022 22:35

Manchester uni have issued a statement:

www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/statement-on-investigation-into-work-of-phd-student/

KittenKong · 23/08/2022 22:38

‘Greater Manchester Police has opened an investigation’. Good

Student suspended. Good