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Just when I thought Academia couldn't sink any lower.

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Imnobody4 · 08/08/2022 16:40

Not just a PhD in wanking, but a peer-reviewed paper on masturbating to images of young boys. Published in "Qualitative Methods". t.co/L3MnSkYQFN

twitter.com/ProfAliceS/status/1556584749447143425?t=v_5NNIZDXKNzFbMBZxWsfQ&s=19

How did this get past Manchester University's ethics process @OfficialUoM ? Masturbating to images of children and writing it up for public consumption does not seem ethical to me. This is hugely disturbing.

Actually I'm speechless.

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Helleofabore · 08/08/2022 17:44

There seems to be an archived copy.... just in case it gets deleted.

mrshoho · 08/08/2022 17:45

Yuck. Fucking weirdo men as usual. Like the subculture of porning over child sized AI models etc.

sweetgrapes · 08/08/2022 17:54

Meanwhile, elsewhere, detransitioning gets turned down by the Ethics committee (as a PhD topic).

Men are sick. Yeah, yeah, not all men. Too many are.

FictionalCharacter · 08/08/2022 18:02

@lechiffre55 I agree. What policies does he want this to inform?

drhf · 08/08/2022 18:10

Given he wrote a PhD about masturbating to it I think this bar is met "The Act defines a ‘pornographic image’ as one which must reasonably be assumed to have been produced solely or principally for the purpose of sexual arousal."

The solely or principally part is a high bar with which the CPS has sometimes had difficulty. In this instance, the researcher's work seems to cover handily whether the drawings are "principally for the purpose of sexual arousal".

'...no matter how my research participants’ takes on shota differed in terms of favourite theme, preferred age and style of characters, how they related their own selves to the story, and so on, they had one thing in common: almost all of them said that they masturbated to shota material...'

I am surprised - but not as surprised as I should be - that the Manchester University Research Ethics Committee (or in this case likely a small subset of the UREC who reviewed the application) did not point out to the student that there was a risk of his research being used in criminal evidence against him.

lionheart · 08/08/2022 18:17

According to a video he posted, the ethics committee turned it down so he is reworking it for a re-submission in September.

MaryBlighthouse · 08/08/2022 18:19

sweetgrapes · 08/08/2022 17:54

Meanwhile, elsewhere, detransitioning gets turned down by the Ethics committee (as a PhD topic).

Men are sick. Yeah, yeah, not all men. Too many are.

Yeah, what a world. Detransition is too controversial but a man seeking to link his arousal to minors by masturbating over sexually explicit images of minors, is not.

Circumferences · 08/08/2022 18:20

Fucking patriarchy.

Men and their dicks with their rape fantasy, abuse fantasy, and actual abuse of women and children.
Just fuck off the lot of you.

Fenlandia · 08/08/2022 18:21

I'm not a Tory voter or reader of right-leaning papers, but I hope they pick this up as this really is showing some parts of academia have lost the plot (meanwhile, proper rigorous subjects like languages and classics are having courses cut all over the place!)

TommySaid · 08/08/2022 18:22

The fact that he’s masturbating over this is pure vile.

But the basis of the phd sounds quite good.

Isn’t it researching a link between watching these ‘innocent’ cartoon characters and peados?

There should be no cartoons that sexualise children and if studies need to be done to ban them then I’m all for it.

titchy · 08/08/2022 18:23

What an defence for finding CSA images on your laptop - 'It really is research - look the UoM and my supervisor have approved it.' Sad

MaryBlighthouse · 08/08/2022 18:27

TommySaid · 08/08/2022 18:22

The fact that he’s masturbating over this is pure vile.

But the basis of the phd sounds quite good.

Isn’t it researching a link between watching these ‘innocent’ cartoon characters and peados?

There should be no cartoons that sexualise children and if studies need to be done to ban them then I’m all for it.

I don’t think the guy who is masturbating over images of children, and openly stating the satisfaction he gets from being part of a community of men doing likewise, is the guy whose work aim is to fight sexualized images of children and paedophilia.

MaryBlighthouse · 08/08/2022 18:31

TommySaid · 08/08/2022 18:22

The fact that he’s masturbating over this is pure vile.

But the basis of the phd sounds quite good.

Isn’t it researching a link between watching these ‘innocent’ cartoon characters and peados?

There should be no cartoons that sexualise children and if studies need to be done to ban them then I’m all for it.

He also says his research is about participant’s experiences of desire and identity.

I really, REALLY don’t think he is coming at this from a child protection angle.

TheWeeDonkey · 08/08/2022 18:32

Hang on, can people explain this to a non PhD thicko?

This guy published a paper about the images of children he likes to masturbate to and he's not being investigated by the police?

And who are these "peers" who are reviewing this paper?

GCBookseller · 08/08/2022 18:34

Grim. Manchester used to be a great university too.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/08/2022 18:39

I'm not an academic and I don't have a Ph.D. but my understanding is that before an article can be published in an academic journal at least one suitable academic has to read it and recommend whether it's good enough to be published. They would be looking at whether the topic is rigorous enough and falls within the journal's area of interest. They would also do a detailed report advising any changes that need to be made before it can be published. The Editor of the Journal would read this report and make a decision. So if I'm right about this at least two other academics have read this article and decided it was fit to publish. I wonder if Qualitative Research has a letters page.

dropthevipers · 08/08/2022 18:53

TommySaid · 08/08/2022 18:22

The fact that he’s masturbating over this is pure vile.

But the basis of the phd sounds quite good.

Isn’t it researching a link between watching these ‘innocent’ cartoon characters and peados?

There should be no cartoons that sexualise children and if studies need to be done to ban them then I’m all for it.

What "studies" do you need to know that wanking over cartoon images of kids is fucking weird?

KittenKong · 08/08/2022 18:55

What exactly is their topic? I assume you have to do one - the people I know who have down PhDs have been studying education, history, English, psychology… not w*nking…

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/08/2022 19:03

Japanese Studies.

JaninaDuszejko · 08/08/2022 19:03

At least the people of Manchester now have a name and photo so they can avoid this man.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 08/08/2022 19:04

What's the betting that the police won't be interested in this at all, not even to "check his thinking"?

shreddednips · 08/08/2022 19:04

TommySaid · 08/08/2022 18:22

The fact that he’s masturbating over this is pure vile.

But the basis of the phd sounds quite good.

Isn’t it researching a link between watching these ‘innocent’ cartoon characters and peados?

There should be no cartoons that sexualise children and if studies need to be done to ban them then I’m all for it.

I've read the paper, it's definitely not about that. It's a highly positive (from his point of view, not anyone else's!) recount of his experience using cartoon images of young boys for sexual gratification. It even describes the scenes he was reading and the exact point at which he came- really repulsive reading. I wouldn't be surprised if he DID intend his work to inform policy makers, but not in the way one would hope sadly.

Lots of things disturbed me while I read it, but the thing that particularly shocked me was that he doesn't even acknowledge that his subject is, at best, controversial and likely to (rightly) inspire total disgust. I think he mentions in one sentence that it's a 'sensitive' topic or something like that. He explores all of these reasons that his respondents cited enjoying this material- but not once does he seem to consider the fact that they probably like it because they're paedophiles. Instead, he gives all sorts of 'wholesome' reasons that they want to masturbate over it, and IMO it's a blatant attempt to justify it. They're not pedos, they're NOSTALGIC for their younger days! Bleurgh. I honestly think I'll report it to the police 🤮

EmmaH2022 · 08/08/2022 19:20

JaninaDuszejko · 08/08/2022 19:03

At least the people of Manchester now have a name and photo so they can avoid this man.

Do they?
I also want names of who cleared this. They need police visits.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/08/2022 19:28

I'm not sure he lives in Manchester, or even in the UK. Berlin?

mrshoho · 08/08/2022 19:37

Sickening isn't it. Probably testing whether cartoon images satisfy the urges as well as the real life images. Red flag 🚩 alert to all involved.